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Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by agumonkey »

TillE wrote: post #8

It's really incredible that three months after the vote, we still haven't the slightest idea what post-Brexit UK will look like. Will they go for the EEA (the least destructive option), or will they - as Theresa May threatens - sacrifice everything just to limit immigration? Three months after the biggest decision in decades, and the subject is barely even being talked about seriously in the UK. I don't understand it…

GBP stopped falling though. Dunno if it's because brexit stalled or because the market thinks brexit will be fine.

Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by tfgg »

michaelbuddy wrote: post #16
TillE wrote: post #8

It's really incredible that three months after the vote, we still haven't the slightest idea what post-Brexit UK will look like. Will they go for the EEA (the least destructive option), or will they - as Theresa May threatens - sacrifice everything just to limit immigration? Three months after the biggest decision in decades, and the subject is barely even being talked about seriously in the UK. I don't understand it…

It's not just to 'limit immigration'. It was also to no remove the decidedly unneeded layer of unchecked lawmakers who at any time can run wild and criminalize UK citizens, who then have no recourse. Given that the UK economy is doing well, what is there to talk about? Most people are relieved to have that monkey off their back.

> ... unchecked lawmakers who at any time can run wild and criminalize UK citizens ...

Assuming you're referring to the EU Parliament, the EU has little say in UK criminal law -- as opposed to various cooperation agreements and bits of harmonizing how criminal justice is carried out.

https://fullfact.org/europe/what-would-brexit-mean-criminal-...

Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by lispm »

martinko wrote: post #7

Indeed the most likely scenario appears to be the 'Norwegian model', where the UK in essence remains in the single market and thus will have to follow European regulations but will have a much smaller say when it comes to the future direction of the EU. They will, however, have officially left the EU so the leave camp can pat their shoulders over their Pyrrhic victory.

The EU is a bit more than the 'single market'.

Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by varjag »

martinko wrote: post #7

Indeed the most likely scenario appears to be the 'Norwegian model', where the UK in essence remains in the single market and thus will have to follow European regulations but will have a much smaller say when it comes to the future direction of the EU. They will, however, have officially left the EU so the leave camp can pat their shoulders over their Pyrrhic victory.

Norway however does not enjoy EU customs and VAT space. So such an arrangement wouldn't help the UK with the flight of corporate HQs to the continent.

Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by barrkel »

chvid wrote: post #2

No way that the EU is going to remove the UK from its single market; the rest of EU is far too dependent on demand from the UK economy.

It's not politically possible to retain single market access in any deal with the UK. The UK government can't sell the required package that retains access to the single market, and the EU can't reduce the price of the package without disintegrating - every other country would love single market access without harmonizing rules that prevent beggar-thy-neighbour policies etc.

The biggest irony in all of this is that many working class brexiters were voting against globalization, yet more globalization is exactly where the Tory brexiters are going to sail.

Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by woliveirajr »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #6

Thinking about this from the perspective of the Japanese, they've got little to lose by making this kind of threat. Either the British government give them a deal that is just as good or better than they have now to encourage them to stay, or they give them a good excuse to move their manufacturing elsewhere. The real issue is when a community is overly reliant on jobs from a small number of employers. That gives the…

Don't think this was some kind of extortion. More a previous warning, like "don't think that japan is in some retaliation by moving our companies, we just asked about taxes earlier and you didn't care"

Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by Scarblac »

agumonkey wrote: post #31
TillE wrote: post #8

It's really incredible that three months after the vote, we still haven't the slightest idea what post-Brexit UK will look like. Will they go for the EEA (the least destructive option), or will they - as Theresa May threatens - sacrifice everything just to limit immigration? Three months after the biggest decision in decades, and the subject is barely even being talked about seriously in the UK. I don't understand it…

GBP stopped falling though. Dunno if it's because brexit stalled or because the market thinks brexit will be fine.

The second can't be true as long as nobody knows what Brexit is going to mean.

Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by dogma1138 »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #25
martinko wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think everyone in any position of power understands that they must remain in the single market - now the only question is how to position / sell this to the electorate.

I don't think May and the Cabinet do. All the noises seem to suggest the real priority is xenophobia - i.e. immigration. ...Which is a purely political strategy to capture the continued support of leave voters - exactly the people whose lives will be destroyed when trade dries up. The problem is that the typical leave voter understands immigration because they have direct personal experience of immigrants. But leave…

The typical leave voter lives in the areas with least immigration.

The areas with any substantial immigration either from the EU or elsewhere voted remain.

Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by joshvm »

michaelbuddy wrote: post #16
TillE wrote: post #8

It's really incredible that three months after the vote, we still haven't the slightest idea what post-Brexit UK will look like. Will they go for the EEA (the least destructive option), or will they - as Theresa May threatens - sacrifice everything just to limit immigration? Three months after the biggest decision in decades, and the subject is barely even being talked about seriously in the UK. I don't understand it…

It's not just to 'limit immigration'. It was also to no remove the decidedly unneeded layer of unchecked lawmakers who at any time can run wild and criminalize UK citizens, who then have no recourse. Given that the UK economy is doing well, what is there to talk about? Most people are relieved to have that monkey off their back.

Those unchecked lawmakers were also responsible for a level of governmental oversight which is unprecedented anywhere else in the world. That's not a bad thing at all, but you can't sell Remain to an electorate by saying "The EU stops us doing stupid stuff to you".

That monkey was responsible for a huge number of regulations which benefit EU citizens, again, because it forces the government to take action that they would otherwise be too unwilling or lazy to take.

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