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Re: In Norway, everyone can know how much you earn [video]

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It's the same in Finland. Tax rates are fairly easy to discover for anyone. And based off that you can get a very good idea of their earnings. In practice I've never met or spoken to anyone who has gone out their way to do this. It's normally just the tabloids outing the salaries of politicians and celebrities once a year.

I'm a recent newcomer to Finland, and I've never been tempted.

But I've loved looking things up in the naming-registry; seeing how many people in the country share my forename/surname has been fascinating.

Re: In Norway, everyone can know how much you earn [video]

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This is even more interesting when companies do it. There are many startups these days that are pushing radical transparency and you actually know what everyone makes in the company.

I think this builds trust and frees people up from the anxiety of not knowing if they are getting screwed. The other thing is all high performing individuals in society, athletes, actors what have you, their salaries are know.

This isn't as radical as you might think and I think it has benefits for society.

Re: In Norway, everyone can know how much you earn [video]

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It works like that here in Sweden as well. Fun story: in my teenage years, when dating my high school sweetheart, I went to visit her grandparents house for the first time. Arriving at their house, the grandmother quickly pulls out her Taxeringskalender (taxation calendar - a paperback where a company has collected all this public information, and they sell it as a handy book). She begins to look up my surname and te…

That's just weird. Social rule number one: don't look up somebody in the Taxeringskalender when they are in the same room.

Grandmothers don't need to follow social rules though. Special exemption rule.

Re: In Norway, everyone can know how much you earn [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I had access to such information, I would immediately try to figure out how much my colleagues and peers in other groups/companies are making. Knowing how much other people are making for similar job functions, gives you huge negotiating power in managing your career. It's a net win for all workers in society.

Have you considered the alternative approach of talking to people? A lot less creepy than cyber stalking their tax reports.

I did, here at Tumbleweed State College. The request was met with puzzlement, even indignation. The explanation that secrecy about salaries benefits only management caused even greater outrage, as did pointing out that Tumbleweed State is in an open records state, where salaries of state employees are available online or can be obtained through a FOIA request.

At times, people are plain dumb.

Re: In Norway, everyone can know how much you earn [video]

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When I lived in Norway, I found this to be a pointless violation of my privacy. Still do.

Well, it's a different culture here in Scandinavia. Personally, I couldn't care less if anyone wanted to look up my salary - whether it is a recruiter or someone else. I have my own valuation of my time and skills and if a potential employer can't meet that, there's someone else who will.

Having this mindset will help sift out companies that you probably wouldn't want to work for in the first place.

Re: In Norway, everyone can know how much you earn [video]

#27

What? You cannot do this in every democratic country? The government should be transparent, therefore everything the government bodies do that does not obviously need to be protected should be public.

For the government being transparent you have to know what the government collects. But for that it doesn't matter what a single person earns and pays.

This might be more relevant with corporate taxes (where authorities make deals to keep a company in one location), subsidiaries or donations to political parties (which aim for influence)

Re: In Norway, everyone can know how much you earn [video]

#28
Norway has zero transparency when it comes to children rights. Some governments (Slovak, Czech, Romania) recommend not to travel there with children.

EDIT: Some explanations.

- In Norway social services (Barnevernet) can take children from family without any explanation.

- Parents are under gag order, and can not talk about their case. Talking to press means you loose parental rights.

- There is no appeal, proof, or any oversight.

- Barnevernet does not release ANY details about cases. It is to protect children.

- No details are released even if child is already dead (suicide) and does not need protection.

- Bernevernet has zero oversight, it does not even allow foreign social workers to look into their materials.

- People who work for Bernevernet can also work for private companies which provide child care (unique in Europe). So person who decides on child removal may have direct financial benefit from doing so.

- Siblings are often split and placed far apart (8 hours drive).

- Removed children must speak Norwegian, mother tongue is suppressed (siblings are split). Foster parents often do not have common language with children.

- Relatives of children (grandparents, aunties, divorced parents) have zero chance to get custody.

- Anonymous surveys (parents are under gag order) indicate there are thousands of such cases (Norway is very small country). Mostly immigrants.

Re: In Norway, everyone can know how much you earn [video]

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It works like that here in Sweden as well. Fun story: in my teenage years, when dating my high school sweetheart, I went to visit her grandparents house for the first time. Arriving at their house, the grandmother quickly pulls out her Taxeringskalender (taxation calendar - a paperback where a company has collected all this public information, and they sell it as a handy book). She begins to look up my surname and te…

That's just weird. Social rule number one: don't look up somebody in the Taxeringskalender when they are in the same room.

For me this is only fair - why do it in their back if you do it anyways. The more relevant question is: why at all? The granddaughter could choose herself ...

Re: In Norway, everyone can know how much you earn [video]

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It works like that here in Sweden as well. Fun story: in my teenage years, when dating my high school sweetheart, I went to visit her grandparents house for the first time. Arriving at their house, the grandmother quickly pulls out her Taxeringskalender (taxation calendar - a paperback where a company has collected all this public information, and they sell it as a handy book). She begins to look up my surname and te…

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