Who would poison our liquor without government?
Criminal gangs selling bootleg liquor will sometimes sell contaminated product.
Due to incompetence/apathy. They have no motivation to kill their paying customers.
The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010)
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Re: The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010)
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
> despite MDMA never having been reasonably blamed for any death You're just plain wrong here. Ecstasy is a dangerous drug that can cause overheating, dehydration, and other very serious conditions that can and do result in death. Further, the drug's effects discourage the behaviors, like eating and drinking water in reasonable quantities, that are essential to preventing those conditions. With their sense of hunger…
>drinking too much water and dying Citation needed.
Definition: Hyponatremia is a condition that occurs when the level of sodium in your blood is abnormally low. Sodium is an electrolyte, and it helps regulate the amount of water that's in and around your cells. http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hyponatremia/b...
Risk factors: Certain drugs. Medications that increase your risk of hyponatremia include thiazide diuretics as well as some antidepressants and pain medications. In addition, the recreational drug Ecstasy has been linked to fatal cases of hyponatremia. http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hyponatremia/b...
While staying hydrated can reduce the risk of heat stroke associated with MDMA, the drug can also cause the body to retain water, so drinking too much can lead to a potentially fatal electrolyte imbalance. http://healthland.time.com/2013/09/03/concert-deaths-five-my...
More common, ecstasy has led to serious hyponatremia and hyponatremia-associated deaths. Hyponatremia in these cases is due to a "perfect storm" of ecstasy-induced effects on water balance. Ecstasy leads to secretion of arginine vasopressin as well as polydipsia as a result of its effects on the serotonergic nervous pathways. Compounding these effects are the ready availability of fluids and the recommendation to drink copiously at rave parties where ecstasy is used. The effects of ecstasy on the kidney as well as therapeutic measures for the treatment of ecstasy-induced hyponatremia are presented. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18684895
Re: The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010)
#23Not sure what the answer is, but alcohol is involved in around 88,000 deaths in the US each year. https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-co... Despite what the popular press says, Prohibition had some beneficial effects, and not all of the negative effects attributed to Prohibition actually arose out of Prohibition. http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/16/opinion/actually-prohibiti...
Lots of rotten prohibitions would have "beneficial effects." If we prohibit medical treatment for people over 65, the rate of Alzheimer's will go down. If we prohibit driving except to and from work, traffic accidents will decrease dramatically. Etc.
Re: The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010)
#24How many americans die each year because FDA has taken too much of time to approve drugs ?
This is the only collection of research on the topic I've seen but if anybody has evidence for a lower number I'd be happy to see it.
http://www.fdareview.org/05_harm.php
Specifically:
[T]he benefits of FDA regulation relative to that in foreign countries could reasonably be put at some 5,000 casualties per decade or 10,000 per decade for worst-case scenarios. In comparison, it has been argued above that the cost of FDA delay can be estimated at anywhere from 21,000 to 120,000 lives per decade
Re: The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010)
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is still done today. Prescription opiods are loaded with acetaminophen that will make you far sicker sooner than the opiods will.
And the recent widespread availability of Oxy, which doesn't have acetaminophen (i.e. tylenol), is thought to be responsible for the current opiate epidemic.
Yes, I'm sure it has nothing to do with pharmaceutical companies rewarding doctors for over-prescribing it, and in essence mobilizing them as drug dealers.
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#26Although this had unfortunate consequences, and would be unthinkable in today's enlightened world, I'm not sure the line of reasoning here was unreasonable. The idea that manufacturers would be allowed to produce vast quantities of a partially illegal substance, without putting in efforts to prevent illegal use, seems unreasonable. Imagine the outcry if it turned out Phizer was manufacturing all the heroin. (They and…
The line of thinking is unreasonable. The line of thinking is this:
"I don't want somebody doing something I don't like. Therefore, I have the right to kill them."
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the recent widespread availability of Oxy, which doesn't have acetaminophen (i.e. tylenol), is thought to be responsible for the current opiate epidemic.
Yes, I'm sure it has nothing to do with pharmaceutical companies rewarding doctors for over-prescribing it, and in essence mobilizing them as drug dealers.
It's definitely over-prescribed, especially by "pain clinics" that hand them out like candy. But in contrast, pain clinics handing out vicodin prescriptions like candy would be a much less serious issue because the acetaminophen limits the abuse potential.
Re: The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010)
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the recent widespread availability of Oxy, which doesn't have acetaminophen (i.e. tylenol), is thought to be responsible for the current opiate epidemic.
Yes, I'm sure it has nothing to do with pharmaceutical companies rewarding doctors for over-prescribing it, and in essence mobilizing them as drug dealers.
It surely does have something to do with that, but the point is that it wouldn't be possible if Oxy weren't well-suited for recreational use.
Re: The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010)
#29Reminds me of the poison baked-bean menace :)
Start here:
http://www.animationresources.org/pics/fosdickbeans01-bigz.j...
Rest of cartoon strips:
http://animationresources.org/biography-al-capp-2-a-cappital...
Re: The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010)
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is still done today. Prescription opiods are loaded with acetaminophen that will make you far sicker sooner than the opiods will.
And the recent widespread availability of Oxy, which doesn't have acetaminophen (i.e. tylenol), is thought to be responsible for the current opiate epidemic.
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