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Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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Re: Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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post #3

A lot of them do. Per article. It's called https://blendle.com . Only an email address is required. And money. And it's not libre.

Blendle also tracks which articles you read. They also are working on an algorithm that picks the news for you, creating a filter bubble.

Re: Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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post #14

Is this really the reason people block ads? I don't actually mind tracking as part of a useful service (like Google Maps). I block ads because they're 1) annoying 2) funding mass media. Depriving Bezos' WaPo or Slim's NYT of revenue is definitely a feature. If billionaires want to push propaganda, the least they can do is foot the bill. Tracking is a distant third. If an outlet I cared about ran ads, I'd white-list t…

If you don't want to fund mass media, why are you reading it? Reading it implies it has some value.

The same reason browser exploits are valuable: I cannot scrutinize every site I will visit in a second. Links pop up here, on Twitter, on IRC... It requires constant attention which is something computers are much better at than humans.

Also, I don't mind reading Bezos' blog. He doesn't need a tip jar though.

Re: Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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post #8

That is a nice and lovely idea... Only every government everywhere hates it. If it is possible to pay for something anonymously, then there is no following the money of others paying anonymously for other reasons. Including paying for products or services that are illegal or even with money from such sales. Yes, you might compare this to cash. Cash that everyone used to carry around. It the higher denominations are m…

He's plugging GNU Taler which was specifically designed to be government friendly (allows collection of taxes and AML compliance and not easy to implement black markets). He's not talking about other kind cryptocurrencies. Stallman isn't a "down with the government" type of person despite being sceptical of surveillance.

So the title of his article is a lie, then.

> Publishers must let online readers pay for news anonymously

It's not anonymous if GNU Taler knows user identity.

Re: Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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post #18
post #14

Is this really the reason people block ads? I don't actually mind tracking as part of a useful service (like Google Maps). I block ads because they're 1) annoying 2) funding mass media. Depriving Bezos' WaPo or Slim's NYT of revenue is definitely a feature. If billionaires want to push propaganda, the least they can do is foot the bill. Tracking is a distant third. If an outlet I cared about ran ads, I'd white-list t…

I personally block adds, not because of annoyance, but because of tracking. I find private collection of information a bigger threat than I do government tracking. I like neither, but given the option, I would rather be tracked by the government. I am not accusing the OP of any bias or failing in ideals, just pointing out an interesting perspective on things that I got from reading [0]. 'Mistrust of government is pre…

> I find private collection of information a bigger threat than I do government tracking

Why?

Re: Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's plugging GNU Taler which was specifically designed to be government friendly (allows collection of taxes and AML compliance and not easy to implement black markets). He's not talking about other kind cryptocurrencies. Stallman isn't a "down with the government" type of person despite being sceptical of surveillance.

So the title of his article is a lie, then. > Publishers must let online readers pay for news anonymously It's not anonymous if GNU Taler knows user identity.

GNU Taler is a technology, not a company, so it doesn't "know" things in the sense that would be bothersome here.

From GNU Taler's website:

“When you pay with Taler, your identity does not have to be revealed to the merchant. The bank, government and exchange will also never learn how you spent your electronic money. However, you can prove that you paid in court if necessary.”

Re: Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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post #4

It could be a really good use case for a crypto currency. But eg. Bitcoin needs too long for a finished transaction (I don't want to wait ~10 minuntes until I can read an article). And you still can track down a person who purchased (separately) two articles by his keys or analysing the block chain. I know we've a lot of crypto currencies right now, but I really hope that there is finally a new one coming, which is j…

In case of an article (which is cheap) there is no need to wait for confirmation, it's enough to wait for transaction to appear in mempool and have enough fee.

Re: Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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I mean he's right but as a business model it doesn't work. Also for people who haven't realised this is a plug for GNU Taler. Anyway. I think the reason it doesn't work as a business model is that really, honestly, reading the paper provides very little in terms of value to the average person. It's a very mild source of entertainment and nothing more. It used to be that the newspapers where the only media to get impo…

I strongly disagree.

I order a physical (weekly) newspaper for two reasons:

a) It provides a broad range of interesting articles on topics which are otherwise outside my filter bubble. This is incredibly important in an era where many people get all their news through their facebook feed.

b) It's perfect to flick through over breakfast :)

Re: Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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post #5

I find it surprising that we havent already got a payment gateway that handles the entire user identity, including email forwarding. I also hadn't realised Stallman wrote for the Guardian, but going through his historic articles shows a healthy number of articles.

Who will integrate such things? Everybody want's to know who is paying you.

As a startup it doesn't quite work, as the large companies that will want that info.

As a feature added to an existing gateway - say Amazon or Google - it could allow anonymized demographics whilst not exposing you to all kinds of data protection issues.

One of the main reasons for using a payment gateway is to avoid the legal requirements for card handling, it seems like a logical extension to me.

Re: Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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post #9

Is this something Brave is implementing with its "Brave Payments" [0]? [0] https://blog.brave.com/introducing-brave-payments , HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12411405

Brave uses Bitcoin, which is otherwise known as "prosecution futures", so doesn't really fit the bill.

Re: Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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post #9

Is this something Brave is implementing with its "Brave Payments" [0]? [0] https://blog.brave.com/introducing-brave-payments , HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12411405

Brave uses Bitcoin, which is otherwise known as "prosecution futures", so doesn't really fit the bill.

Got it, thanks.
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