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Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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Re: Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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I mean he's right but as a business model it doesn't work. Also for people who haven't realised this is a plug for GNU Taler.

Anyway. I think the reason it doesn't work as a business model is that really, honestly, reading the paper provides very little in terms of value to the average person. It's a very mild source of entertainment and nothing more. It used to be that the newspapers where the only media to get important information (classifieds, job ads...etc). Not any more.

Re: Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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post #8

That is a nice and lovely idea... Only every government everywhere hates it. If it is possible to pay for something anonymously, then there is no following the money of others paying anonymously for other reasons. Including paying for products or services that are illegal or even with money from such sales. Yes, you might compare this to cash. Cash that everyone used to carry around. It the higher denominations are m…

He's plugging GNU Taler which was specifically designed to be government friendly (allows collection of taxes and AML compliance and not easy to implement black markets). He's not talking about other kind cryptocurrencies. Stallman isn't a "down with the government" type of person despite being sceptical of surveillance.

Re: Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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Is this really the reason people block ads?

I don't actually mind tracking as part of a useful service (like Google Maps). I block ads because they're 1) annoying 2) funding mass media.

Depriving Bezos' WaPo or Slim's NYT of revenue is definitely a feature. If billionaires want to push propaganda, the least they can do is foot the bill.

Tracking is a distant third. If an outlet I cared about ran ads, I'd white-list them. It just so happens that valuable sites like HN or developers' blogs either don't feature ads or do so in a way that adblockers don't interfere with (look at job posts here).

Re: Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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I find it interesting that this article is published on a platform that makes uBlock block 27 requests and most certainly does contain non-free javascript. Richard Stallman talks a lot about how these thing inhibit freedom and that we should not support those companies. But when he publishes an article on ad blocking he does this on a platform that absolutely does not meet his standard on freedom.

Maybe that's so he's not preaching to the converted? I'd imagine that most non-tech people wouldn't have any idea about the multiple layers of problems that online ad platforms can generate. I'm no tech genius, but I'm my friends' go to guy for anything computer related, and all of them have no idea about any of this, but most of them are tech literate at a 'general' level. I'd think the vast majority of people have no idea any this is even happening, let alone the downsides.

Re: Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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I find it interesting that this article is published on a platform that makes uBlock block 27 requests and most certainly does contain non-free javascript. Richard Stallman talks a lot about how these thing inhibit freedom and that we should not support those companies. But when he publishes an article on ad blocking he does this on a platform that absolutely does not meet his standard on freedom.

> But when he publishes an article on ad blocking he...

This is not an article on ad blocking.

It's an article on the need to be able to pay for things anonymously - to avoid being tracked.

Like how cash works in the real world.

I can highly recommend reading the actual article.

Re: Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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post #14

Is this really the reason people block ads? I don't actually mind tracking as part of a useful service (like Google Maps). I block ads because they're 1) annoying 2) funding mass media. Depriving Bezos' WaPo or Slim's NYT of revenue is definitely a feature. If billionaires want to push propaganda, the least they can do is foot the bill. Tracking is a distant third. If an outlet I cared about ran ads, I'd white-list t…

I personally block adds, not because of annoyance, but because of tracking. I find private collection of information a bigger threat than I do government tracking. I like neither, but given the option, I would rather be tracked by the government.

I am not accusing the OP of any bias or failing in ideals, just pointing out an interesting perspective on things that I got from reading [0]. 'Mistrust of government is pretty much universal, and that’s a good thing. Outside of the United States, however, people trust corporations even less.'

[0]http://www.disruptingjapan.com/how-ubers-failure-in-japan-ca...

Re: Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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post #8

That is a nice and lovely idea... Only every government everywhere hates it. If it is possible to pay for something anonymously, then there is no following the money of others paying anonymously for other reasons. Including paying for products or services that are illegal or even with money from such sales. Yes, you might compare this to cash. Cash that everyone used to carry around. It the higher denominations are m…

As lumberjack said, you should look into GNU Taler [1]. Their goal is precisely to provide a privacy-enabled form of payments that is compatible with the rule of law in a democracy.

[1] https://taler.net/

Re: Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously

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post #14

Is this really the reason people block ads? I don't actually mind tracking as part of a useful service (like Google Maps). I block ads because they're 1) annoying 2) funding mass media. Depriving Bezos' WaPo or Slim's NYT of revenue is definitely a feature. If billionaires want to push propaganda, the least they can do is foot the bill. Tracking is a distant third. If an outlet I cared about ran ads, I'd white-list t…

If you don't want to fund mass media, why are you reading it?

Reading it implies it has some value.

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