A Powerful Russian Weapon: The Spread of False Stories

Post by berntb » Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 11:26 AM UTC

berntb wrote: post #129

dleslie wrote: post #127

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There is no objective yardstick because the ethical conditions are subjective. For instance, in this very thread it is evident that agreement cannot be found upon whether or not cooperating with Government agencies on messaging is an unethical journalistic practice[0]. There are many metrics, but very few of them are objective; that doesn't mean that those which are not objective are not meaningful, but it means that…

>> There is no objective yardstick because the ethical conditions are subjective. So the yardsticks measuring differences between dictatorships and dictators are relative..? THAT is an uncommon claim these days -- it was common before 1989, from communists supporting Soviet. And then you ignored my examples: - Human rights - State control of media - Personal freedom indexes - Risks for critical journalists to be murd…

s/relative/just subjective/

Post by berntb » Sat, Sep 03, 2016, 7:08 PM UTC

zigzigzag wrote: post #119

berntb wrote: post #91

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1. Can you condemn Putin for starting wars and annexing area in Europe, just like Hitler in the 1930s? If you refuse I will assume that you work for the Russian junta. (To _only_ condemn USA instead is not an answer.) 2. My sources are e.g. what is said by common EU institutions and by state chiefs in the EU. Like here http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-eu-31932005 BBC is just part of the anti Russian global conspiracy..?…

Which area are you talking about? The war in Georgia? Cuz if you are talking about Crimea then no. "Annexation" doesn't tend to have support of the people and the referendum and repeated opinion polls by western research groups afterwards show very clearly that the Crimeans wanted to join Russia (and believe the referendum was fair). If your entire logic boils down to "you either agree with X or you work for the Russ…

So you can't criticize Putin's wars... I don't know of any reputable political party or media which support invasion wars and annexations in Europe today. (No, Putin's own media are not reputable. :-) )

Elections with more than 95% for any side are obviously fake. It smells of Soviet and North Korea. I've only seen people obviously working in St Petersburg argue that could possibly be true. And you...

And my argument is that on one side there is Putin's paid propaganda -- and on the other side there is more or less the collected western democracies of the world. Those countries usually don't agree on much, but this united us.

You think that position of all the democracies is "highly subjective and debatable" -- after believing that any election result over 95% is real!!

That stretched my ability to give the benefit of a doubt far beyond breaking.

(I missed your post, it came a day after.)

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