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Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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Post by lisper »

bruceb wrote: post #61
panic wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This Wednesday he literally promised to create a "deportation force". The comparison isn't too far off.

Sending people back who came illegally while people all around the world are waiting to come legally has zero in common with Nazis.

Actually it has everything in common with the Nazis. The Nazis were the law-and-order party of their day. Very nearly everything they did was legal. That is why they documented everything so meticulously. They really believed they were the good guys. The main reason the Nazis are the iconic villains is not because what they did was that much worse than other atrocities that humans have committed through the ages, but because they lost the war. Stalin killed vastly more civilians than Hitler, but you don't hear as much about that because Stalin was a Winner.

Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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Post by dragandj »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #68
bruceb wrote: post #38

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Heavy handed enforcement? If we had that we would not have 12m people here illegally. Wanting to keep national character is respecting culture. Switzerland is right to defend equality

So, in your mind, "defending equality" means deporting people who don't respect the sanctity of swim class.

Assuming that the story you've told actually happened. Yeah, two kids in a school didn't want to enter the pool, and they've sent them packing back to (where?) because of that. Have I understood well what you described?

Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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Post by dilemma »

panic wrote: post #64
bruceb wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sending people back who came illegally while people all around the world are waiting to come legally has zero in common with Nazis.

The use of force to round up large groups of people is a terrifying thing, and it's absolutely something the Nazis did.

Franklin D. Roosevelt rounded up those of Japanese descent and put them in internment camps.

Dwight Eisenhower and John F. Kennedy invaded, proceeded to rounded and murder and otherwise caused the death of up to 3.1 million Vietnamese in the Vietnamese Resistance War against America.

Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and Kennedy are literally Hitler.

Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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Post by dragandj »

jacquesm wrote: post #75
drinchev wrote: post #42

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The two stories doesn't match. It was a decision of the girls ( or their father ) [1] not to be naturalized. They could've just did the swim with the boys and they would've got their citizenship. On the other hand my friend had NO CHOICE in her 24 year stay in the U.S. to get a citizenship ( although she followed all the rules / laws of the country ). [1] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/switzerland-c..…

If you think underage muslim girls are normally going to go against the wishes of their father then you clearly don't know much about the kind of patriarchy they are exposed to. Fathers word > law.

Maybe in Middle East. Not in Switzerland.

Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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Post by thrkw123456789 »

tonicoto wrote: post #48
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #32

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> I've never understood why U.S. is so protective in terms of citizenship. We've got a lot of racist assholes, basically. Particularly ironic for a country that was founded on immigration. These laws, and their heavy-handed enforcement, are mainly targeted at keeping out Mexicans. European and Asian immigrants are collateral damage, essentially. Europe, unfortunately, is starting to go the same way. I think it was Sw…

>Europe, unfortunately, is starting to go the same way. I think it was Switzerland that denied citizenship to a couple of teenage Muslim girls because they didn't want to swim with boys in mandatory co-ed swim class. Behave like us, or get the hell out. Is that racist to you? Then I have bad news. You'll start to see that more and more often with time. And, unless the elites react in time, you'll see a purge in ~30 y…

> Behave like us, or get the hell out. Is that racist to you?

Depends on the level of behaviour. But largely yes that is a fairly racist sentiment.

Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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Post by tonicoto »

thrkw123456789 wrote: post #85
tonicoto wrote: post #48

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>Europe, unfortunately, is starting to go the same way. I think it was Switzerland that denied citizenship to a couple of teenage Muslim girls because they didn't want to swim with boys in mandatory co-ed swim class. Behave like us, or get the hell out. Is that racist to you? Then I have bad news. You'll start to see that more and more often with time. And, unless the elites react in time, you'll see a purge in ~30 y…

> Behave like us, or get the hell out. Is that racist to you? Depends on the level of behaviour. But largely yes that is a fairly racist sentiment.

I don't understand. If they don't like the way our society functions, why did they come here in first place?

Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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Post by ddeck »

Houshalter wrote: post #72
superuser2 wrote: post #52

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>I've never understood why U.S. is so protective in terms of citizenship. The American electorate believes unemployment is caused by an improper ratio of people to jobs, and it can be solved both by increasing the number of jobs and decreasing the number of people. In this theory, your friend's expulsion was a victory for the American who took over her job, and for the unemployed person who entered the labor market (…

>It remains this way because Americans do not generally consider or believe Econ 101 ideas It's not at all clear this violates "Econ 101". Supply and demand set prices, and wages are basically the price for labor. Increasing the supply of labor should necessarily decrease wages, and vice versa. Imagine the extreme, worst case scenario. If the US opened it's borders completely, and imported every poor worker in the en…

>Increasing the supply of labor should necessarily decrease wages, and vice versa.

This assumes everyone is taking jobs and noone is creating them. America has a strong tradition of immigrants building businesses.

Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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Post by ddeck »

tonicoto wrote: post #86
thrkw123456789 wrote: post #85

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> Behave like us, or get the hell out. Is that racist to you? Depends on the level of behaviour. But largely yes that is a fairly racist sentiment.

I don't understand. If they don't like the way our society functions, why did they come here in first place?

Societies are (thankfully) not homogeneous. Some women may feel comfortable going topless at beaches in countries that permit it and it may even be the norm. Does that mean that all women should be okay with that? Where do you set the bar?

Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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Post by peyton »

SapphireSun wrote: post #56
parineum wrote: post #34

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Forgive me if this sounds harsh but shouldn't she have applied for a green card as soon as she turned 18? I don't know the ins and outs of immigration but that's because I'm a citizen. If I wasn't, I'd sure as hell know what I needed to do in order to stay in the only country I'd ever known as home.

It's okay to foist an injustice upon someone because they were ignorant or lazy? We should be making our social systems fail-safe when the consequences are so severe. It shouldn't be possible to eject someone like that without round after round of appeals and second chances to get good paperwork, and if they were eligible for citizenship, and in good faith relied on the idea that they were citizens, then by all right…

I think that's how it works today. In my personal experience, USCIS goes above and beyond to get citizenship for citizens. It's possible the above comment leaves out some crucial detail.

Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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Post by tonicoto »

ddeck wrote: post #88
tonicoto wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand. If they don't like the way our society functions, why did they come here in first place?

Societies are (thankfully) not homogeneous. Some women may feel comfortable going topless at beaches in countries that permit it and it may even be the norm. Does that mean that all women should be okay with that? Where do you set the bar?

The bar is set where you are forced to do something. If your tits are saggy and you don't want to go topless, then don't, I guess?
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