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Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? Trump and the brown shirts? Do we need to compare everybody to Hitler? I read an article recently that says he's more of an American version of Italy's Berlusconi, and that seems more reasonable to me.

This Wednesday he literally promised to create a "deportation force". The comparison isn't too far off.

Sending people back who came illegally while people all around the world are waiting to come legally has zero in common with Nazis.

Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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I want to help this guy but I have to ask....how did the parents just "forget" to get his citizenship complete????

Immigration is complex enough that there are lawyers who specialise in immigration law. Most people can't afford immigration lawyers.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11972135

Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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I know a girl that had to leave the U.S. >24 The story ( as far as I can remember ) is that a family of Germans moved to the U.S. with their 1 year old child. 24 years later the child graduated university and ... needs to apply for a green card or permanent VISA. US government refused, so she had to come back to Germany. I've never understood why U.S. is so protective in terms of citizenship. In most of the EU countr…

>I've never understood why U.S. is so protective in terms of citizenship. The American electorate believes unemployment is caused by an improper ratio of people to jobs, and it can be solved both by increasing the number of jobs and decreasing the number of people. In this theory, your friend's expulsion was a victory for the American who took over her job, and for the unemployed person who entered the labor market (…

Yes, that stupid American electorate who can't understand basic economics.

I really wish everyone could be as enlightened as yourself.

Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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post #61
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This Wednesday he literally promised to create a "deportation force". The comparison isn't too far off.

Sending people back who came illegally while people all around the world are waiting to come legally has zero in common with Nazis.

The use of force to round up large groups of people is a terrifying thing, and it's absolutely something the Nazis did.

Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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I want to help this guy but I have to ask....how did the parents just "forget" to get his citizenship complete????

Some of these people had US passports. US passports! If I had a US passport it would not cross my mind that I was not a US citizen and that I needed to do even more paperwork.

Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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What was most shocking to me was that some of these kids managed to get U.S. passports without being citizens. How does that happen? I'm a first generation immigrant. My parents were naturalized when I was 10. AFAIK that means that I automatically acquired their naturalization. But I do not have a naturalization certificate of my own, and I don't have a copy of my parents certificate. I do hold a U.S. passport, but t…

> Do we need to compare everybody to Hitler?

Trump's policies are eerily reminiscent of Hitler's. Seriously, go look up some transcripts of Hitler's speeches, especially the early ones, and substitute "Muslim" for "Jew" and compare the results to Trump's rhetoric. Better yet, show the results to some Trump supporters and ask them if they agree with the sentiments.

But I don't really care what color their shirts are. What I care about is: by what process do we decide who gets thrown out and who gets to stay. Trump's policy is: throw out everyone who can't prove they're here legally. Well, if a passport isn't good enough proof (and it manifestly is not) then I'm not sure I can prove I'm here legally.

Will it be "that bad?" Maybe, maybe not. But if history teaches us anything it is that the time to speak up is before the answer becomes apparent.

[NOTE: I posted this comment in the wrong place in the comment tree, but someone posted a reply before I noticed so now I can't delete it. I re-posted it in the right place: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12418441]

Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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What was most shocking to me was that some of these kids managed to get U.S. passports without being citizens. How does that happen? I'm a first generation immigrant. My parents were naturalized when I was 10. AFAIK that means that I automatically acquired their naturalization. But I do not have a naturalization certificate of my own, and I don't have a copy of my parents certificate. I do hold a U.S. passport, but t…

> Do we need to compare everybody to Hitler? Trump's policies are eerily reminiscent of Hitler's. Seriously, go look up some transcripts of Hitler's speeches, especially the early ones, and substitute "Muslim" for "Jew" and compare the results to Trump's rhetoric. Better yet, show the results to some Trump supporters and ask them if they agree with the sentiments. But I don't really care what color their shirts are.…

Both my grandparents survived the concentration camps of Nazi Germany. The only time my grandmother mentioned Nazi Germany to me was when Schindler's List was in theaters and she asked if I've seen it yet. Hitler didn't just start killing Jews and others. He slowly progressed to that. Of course, each step towards the final solution didn't seem like a large jump from the previous one. That is what I was told the power of the movie was, that it captured the slow progression. It started when Jews had to register all family members and had to move to ghettos in major cities or leave the country. Trump wants to start with step 1 with Muslims and Hispanic people. Trump is literally Hitler right now. What Trump wants is literally the first scene from Schindler's List. We are in 2016. We should be past this by now.

Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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> I've never understood why U.S. is so protective in terms of citizenship. We've got a lot of racist assholes, basically. Particularly ironic for a country that was founded on immigration. These laws, and their heavy-handed enforcement, are mainly targeted at keeping out Mexicans. European and Asian immigrants are collateral damage, essentially. Europe, unfortunately, is starting to go the same way. I think it was Sw…

Heavy handed enforcement? If we had that we would not have 12m people here illegally. Wanting to keep national character is respecting culture. Switzerland is right to defend equality

So, in your mind, "defending equality" means deporting people who don't respect the sanctity of swim class.

Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've never understood why U.S. is so protective in terms of citizenship. We've got a lot of racist assholes, basically. Particularly ironic for a country that was founded on immigration. These laws, and their heavy-handed enforcement, are mainly targeted at keeping out Mexicans. European and Asian immigrants are collateral damage, essentially. Europe, unfortunately, is starting to go the same way. I think it was Sw…

>Europe, unfortunately, is starting to go the same way. I think it was Switzerland that denied citizenship to a couple of teenage Muslim girls because they didn't want to swim with boys in mandatory co-ed swim class. Behave like us, or get the hell out. Is that racist to you? Then I have bad news. You'll start to see that more and more often with time. And, unless the elites react in time, you'll see a purge in ~30 y…

> Behave like us, or get the hell out. Is that racist to you?

Is this a trick question?

Re: Thousands of adoptees thought they were US citizens but learned they are not

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post #46

What was most shocking to me was that some of these kids managed to get U.S. passports without being citizens. How does that happen? I'm a first generation immigrant. My parents were naturalized when I was 10. AFAIK that means that I automatically acquired their naturalization. But I do not have a naturalization certificate of my own, and I don't have a copy of my parents certificate. I do hold a U.S. passport, but t…

Really? Trump and the brown shirts? Do we need to compare everybody to Hitler? I read an article recently that says he's more of an American version of Italy's Berlusconi, and that seems more reasonable to me.

> Do we need to compare everybody to Hitler? Trump's policies are eerily reminiscent of Hitler's. Seriously, go look up some transcripts of Hitler's speeches, especially the early ones, and substitute "Muslim" for "Jew" and compare the results to Trump's rhetoric. Better yet, show the results to some Trump supporters and ask them if they agree with the sentiments. But I don't really care what color their shirts are. What I care about is: by what process do we decide who gets thrown out and who gets to stay. Trump's policy is: throw out everyone who can't prove they're here legally. Well, if a passport isn't good enough proof (and it manifestly is not) then I'm not sure I can prove I'm here legally. Will it be "that bad?" Maybe, maybe not. But if history teaches us anything it is that the time to speak up is before the answer becomes apparent.
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