Bko is a trolling you.
I'm allowed to have a different opinion and value judgement without trolling. You're not contributing anything to the conversation.
You appear as libertarian satire.
FDA Orders Antibacterials Removed from Consumer Soaps
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#192> Companies will no longer be able to market antibacterial washes with these ingredients because manufacturers did not demonstrate that the ingredients are both safe for long-term daily use ... Then why were they allowed to market them in the first place? If safety was an issue, and it demonstrably is because that's one reason they're being pulled, then why did they not have to prove before marketing?
Seems like a bigger win would be to allow all soaps to be labeled as "anti-bacterial" and "anti-microbial". If soap manufacturers can get the same marketing benefit without the expense of including the chemicals, seems like they'd all jump at it.
This is a great idea. The terms literally apply to all soaps, so let them all use it. Then, additionally, if they are adding the chemical require it be listed prominently in the front label. See how fast the market reacts.
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because unlike recreational drugs^, antibacterials re-enter the water supply, change the biology of your neighbors and farm animals, and cause existing strains of bacteria to become more antibiotic-resistant. It is possible that within a decade or two, penicillin will be lose its usefulness, and we'll be back to the stage of history where cuts and scrapes could become life-threatening. ^ a related problem is the flus…
Some would equally argue that use of recreational drugs is harmful to the user, harms relationships and undermines society in a lot of respects. These things can all be true but it's not necessarily enough grounds to use the power and resources of the state to actively ban a substance.
> it's not necessarily enough grounds to use the power and resources of the state to actively ban a substance
It's not enough grounds because the cost of enforcement is so high that it is equal to or surpasses the cost of the drugs themselves. That isn't the case with antibiotic soap--it's not an addictive productive, so it's unlikely that there will be dealers slinging triclosan on street corners.
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#194can we get rid of all the dispensers popping up at work places, grocery stores, and more?
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're a founder of a California 501(c)(3) nonprofit science research organization. I think it's safe to say it's the groups you run in. By contrast, my parents and family in the Midwest have no clue about it. Antibacterial means cleaner, right?
Scientists are not my primary social group.
You don't have to be a scientist in order to be well informed about matters that are very important to you.
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
What about cooking? e.g. handling raw meat and such?
What's wrong with regular soap? It worked fine for decades. You don't need to kill the bacteria. Just remove it.
> You don't need to kill the bacteria. Just remove it.
I'm pretty sure the lipid-dissolving properties of soap kill bacteria by shredding their cell membranes. It's not effective against viruses, but neither is antibacterial soap.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
Examples then? Are are you speaking only in unverifiable "if only" hypotheticals?
Uhh... Pretty much the entire war on drugs? I am surprised you even had to ask. There is much more though, as you can find in this comment, for example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12414467
Are you sure you're not confusing the FDA with the DEA?
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe you should stop and understand the science before you continue on your road of assumptions.
If only I had 10 minutes to study the science of every last thing I don't understand... I'd be getting younger by the article. There's only so much time in a day to devote to so much activity while I'm waiting for code to compile.
Fine, but then don't make brazen statements like
> but it seems reasonably credible to the layman
> proven to contain significantly increased doses of POISON in food on the supermarket shelves
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
What problems is it contributing to? The article says it doesn't actually affect bacteria, so it can't be contributing to resistant strains.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triclosan#Resistance_concerns At best, antibacterial soap is ineffective. At worst, it's contributing to resistance in some microbes.
But we don't use the antibacterials in soaps as therapeutic agents to treat infections. So if a bacteria becomes resistant to triclosan, it has no impact on the effectiveness of antibiotics.
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#200Good. It's pointless to disinfect and reinfect your hands so many times in a day. Soap should be used to make lipids and other grime water-soluble. That's it. If you need to sterilize your hands, then you should use a separate product dedicated to that because chances are you are a doctor. Not sterilizing your hands all the time is actually good (in most cases) because it allows your body to sample the latest and gre…
Ban [something] because it's not effective. Un-ban [something] because it's not really harmful and it's about choice of what I do with my body I never understood which someyhing to put in which category. Perhaps you can argue that no one gets any utility for the thing you want to ban since it's a fraud, but people are spending their money on that thing so surely they get some utility. Not really my place to say
The soap is clearly on the "ban" side. But there is an intermediary category of "Ban the publicity of [something] because it's dishonest, don't ban [something] because it's about choice".