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Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London

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Re: Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London

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My mother used to live in Belgravia, in one of the buildings pictured in that article, when she was a young girl.

....well when I say lived there, my grandparents were caretakers so they lived in the basement.

This was back in the 1960s mind, but even back then Belgravia was an extremely affluent area, with Lords, major industrialists etc living there.

Re: Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London

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This is why it should go viral. Wealthy individuals/ buying houses in droves to sit empty does not benefit anyone in the long run. What happens when the bubble pops?

What happens until the bubble pops I think is the question. To quote the OA... "In the evenings an eerie stillness settles on [the area]. That’s because these new owners are so rich in both money and global property that their London addresses frequently sit empty, functioning more as dust-sheeted deposit boxes rather than actual homes." This is not why we have cities. We have cities to allow interaction. Look where…

The bubble will be forcefully burst when homeless people start squatting; or pranksters vandalize them.

Re: Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London

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They don't want to make a few percent on their capital?

They probably don't want any more of a paper trail leading back to them than they have to.

A net zero property seems like it could generate less paperwork if the management balanced incomming and outgoing payments, (less their fee.)

How exactly do they pay utilities/etc without anyone noticing their transfers? But I don't believe they are successfully hiding anything in any case, governments want everyone to be guilty of something so they can achieve whatever political outcome they need through selective enforcement.

Re: Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London

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I walked from Kings Cross to Marylebone at dusk recently - half way, I took the road up from the main Euston Road - walking through mostly residential - barely an apartment window with a light on - it's just money parked in property - the parks don't have kids playing in them any more The recent Vancouver tax changes have worked, I suspect/hope we'll start seeing that repeated in every city thats had it's life sucked…

I suspect it's a pretty common phenomenon. I recently visited Venice with a Venetian friend of mine. He mentioned that most of the apartments in the historical center were empty.

Re: Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London

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This is why it should go viral. Wealthy individuals/ buying houses in droves to sit empty does not benefit anyone in the long run. What happens when the bubble pops?

I think they should be allowed to buy the homes, but then face stiff property taxes (with a homestead exemption for actual residents). The property taxes on Billionaire's Row in NYC are often absurdly low: http://www.citylab.com/housing/2015/05/why-billionaires-dont...

They will pay pensioners to live there 'on paper' to meet your homestead requirement.

The whole tax penalty is thwarted that way

Re: Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London

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Not sure if you are being sarcastic. The buyers driving up prices don't live in London. From the article: "Today, 60 percent of properties for sale in this part of London go to international buyers."

Can't we solve this problem with virtualization? Build houses in the middle of nowhere, but assign a central London address.

Haha this is great.

On a more serious note, maybe banks could offer some sort of investment vehicle made up of homes in a certain area. The homes would then be rented out for revenue, and foreign buyers could have an equivalent financial position without driving away actual residents.

Re: Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London

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What bothers me is that price rises but those are the same crappy apartments. When a flat costs millions I'd expect it to be absolute marvel of modern technology.

There's two components to real estate prices: the cost of the actual building (if any), and the price of the land. The building cost is measurable, and basically equals the cost of rebuilding it (unless it's historic), and that's what you insure the property for. The rest is the land value, and that's determined entirely by the market, because land is not fungible. A quarter-acre in a prime metro-area neighborhood is likely worth much more than 100 acres in the middle of nowhere, because lots of people want to live there and are willing to pay for that privilege.

So, if you find some property in downtown London that just has a crappy shack on it, it'll still be highly valuable just because of the location. A wealthy buyer can purchase it, then raze the shack and build something better there.

Re: Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London

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I think his point is that if commutes were quicker then regular people could move away from the city but still work there. Billionaires could still sell real estate to each other then without hurting lower incomes.

I like living in the city. I would prefer to live in one. Denver housing isn't so crazy yet that I can't afford to live here, but it's pretty close. I make a pretty damn good salary and would struggle finding a house that doesn't require significant rennovation in the city. Yes, I could move to suburbia - I could commute slightly further, etc, etc. I would prefer not to. I would prefer that my neighbors are people an…

> I like living in the city. I would prefer to live in one.

I'd bet once a decent public transportation system is inline, the termination points of the larger trains will become as much city-like as the center, but much more affordable.

Re: Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why it should go viral. Wealthy individuals/ buying houses in droves to sit empty does not benefit anyone in the long run. What happens when the bubble pops?

What happens until the bubble pops I think is the question. To quote the OA... "In the evenings an eerie stillness settles on [the area]. That’s because these new owners are so rich in both money and global property that their London addresses frequently sit empty, functioning more as dust-sheeted deposit boxes rather than actual homes." This is not why we have cities. We have cities to allow interaction. Look where…

I see similar comments on all of these articles and I am really curious which UK/USA/Canada cities that artists and musicians and the like go to.

I'm going to throw out Nashville as a thought for musicians, and maybe Pittsburgh for tinkerers.

Re: Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London

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What happens until the bubble pops I think is the question. To quote the OA... "In the evenings an eerie stillness settles on [the area]. That’s because these new owners are so rich in both money and global property that their London addresses frequently sit empty, functioning more as dust-sheeted deposit boxes rather than actual homes." This is not why we have cities. We have cities to allow interaction. Look where…

Where is it today? I hear Liverpool is having a bit of a renaissance.

Jamaica Street, up as far as Camp and Furnace, but I hear that the end nearer town is being gentrified. And classical musicians and fine artists are heading to Berlin where it is still possible to rent a (effing) flat.
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