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> Who exactly would use this product? People who value their privacy and don't like to be tracked
Do you pay with a new, anonymous bitcoin address every single time? Because otherwise this seems like the ultimate tracking tool.
If I'm an advertiser, why would I want to advertise only to people who can't afford $5/month to turn off ads internet-wide? That's the problem advertising faces; as soon as you encourage people with disposable income to avoid all advertising, the whole system becomes pointless.
Says a lot about the sociatal value of the system, really.
It's a massive coordination problem that Brave (and IIRC the Google Contributor project) are attempting to solve.
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If the system was designed right any infrastructure could be distributed (put a bitcoin address and a notification URL in your HTML or something dead simple like that) and development could be sponsored by interested parties if needed. There wouldn't be any need for a fee.
> If the system was designed right any infrastructure could be distributed (put a bitcoin address and a notification URL in your HTML or something dead simple like that) and development could be sponsored by interested parties if needed. There wouldn't be any need for a fee. You need a fee because otherwise nobody will do (or is doing) the work to implement it.
Of course, with something this small and basically one-off, given the number of open source devs building bitcoin projects I'd be surprised if no one's done something similar already.
Who exactly would use this product? You'd have to be someone who doesn't mind ads, but doesn't like bad ones, while also being someone who is willing to pay for content so you do not see ads. More to the point, in what possible universe is there a moral justification for stripping a publisher of the advertising they've selected, only to replace it with your own, and then dictating to the publisher what percentage of…
To me it seems like the question is not whether or not people are willing, but is it easy enough to work.
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Ad-free Web viewing is a luxury, not a necessity. Given the prevalence of ads as a malware/privacy invasion vector, I'm not sure that's true anymore. Browsing the wider internet without a blocker on is like walking down a bad part of town and sticking yourself with every discarded needle you find.
I agree with you in principle; I now use ad blockers after arguing for years that people shouldn't. But in reality that's a tough case to make. Sure, the NSA might find out what web sites I've been visiting, but that's a really abstract concept for most people. I don't want to attack your analogy too much, but sticking yourself with discarded needles is a much more tangible risk, and doesn't bring any benefits along…
Remember that I mentioned malware too - that is a very tangible risk, to my computer and any computer that it's connected to. I'm not speaking hyperbolically here either, malware loaded advertising winds up on large ad networks used on reputable sites[1].
My personal policy remains unchanged: when the site owner takes responsibility for what their server does to my computer (including reimbursement for time and materials when an infection shows up), I'll consider unblocking the ads, and not a moment before.
As it stands, the person who takes that snippet of Javascript from Adsense and ignorantly whacks it into their page wants all of the benefit (ad $$$) with none of the responsibility.
Based on my research Brave will probably have a hard time through UX issues and companies/webpages boycotting it.
I talked to readability founder who tried to take money on behalf of webpages when blocking ads. Readers were very happy about the service and loved to pay. But the issue was the companies didn't "take" their money. Mainly because they didn't like that readability did all of that without asking them before. One can say they were simply pissed. From my view Braves users also have to change to much. A new browser + a new payment system.
Best would be if the reader pays on one page and the rest is done for them. No new browser, No Plugin, No Special payment system. Of course this page has to negotiate with each Website first. With https://pagescrub.com I tried exactly that.
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> Who exactly would use this product? People who value their privacy and don't like to be tracked
Those people would just use an AdBlocker, in their existing browser and on their mobile device.
To the critics: The problem is, how to pay for content while maintaining user control over their privacy? Micropayments seem like a solution, and Brave has found an economical way to implement them. How would you change Brave and, * Still solve the confidentiality problem * Be realistically economical: Everyone gets paid * Earn a profit (not a sin and a good way to make the project sustainable) * Have a technical and…
host their own static ads,
use a pay wall,
are promotional site's,
are government run,
are government funded,
are publicly funded
or
are personally funded.
To the critics: The problem is, how to pay for content while maintaining user control over their privacy? Micropayments seem like a solution, and Brave has found an economical way to implement them. How would you change Brave and, * Still solve the confidentiality problem * Be realistically economical: Everyone gets paid * Earn a profit (not a sin and a good way to make the project sustainable) * Have a technical and…
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Oh. They take a 5% cut. Next question, how do I prevent this system from working on any of my websites?
How else would you suggest they maintain the infrastructure without turning the users back into the product?