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Ask HN: Where do you go for civil discussion on the Internet?

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Re: Ask HN: Where do you go for civil discussion on the Internet?

#141
Form your own private, by-invitation, undiscoverable group. Friends and colleagues are the obvious place to start, and not too large.

I've belonged to one for almost 20 years. I think the group has varied between 10 and 20 people, a few have come and gone (and come back).

We use an email list, use whatever you like.

Re: Ask HN: Where do you go for civil discussion on the Internet?

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post #128
post #14

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Maybe the world in general has a different definition of "center" than the US.

I can't speak for the world but in switzerland we have a similar distribution. The big exception is that we are way more skeptical towards people who put on a big show. We like it way more moderate. Wannabe alpha wolves get ridiculed here.

most europeans trust their government more than the average moderate american. it might be some universal belief, or it may be a function of the work your governments have done.

Re: Ask HN: Where do you go for civil discussion on the Internet?

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I mostly stay here. The amount of political and economic discussion here is what I personally consider enough in my life; I don't think looking for more sources would improve SNR for me. I sometimes like to peruse Reddit for some well-defined topics - the trick is to find an appropriate subreddit for it. So, for instance, when I want to follow SpaceX news, I'll tune in to /r/spacex, because quite a lot of people ther…

The problem with HN for politics and economics is its decidedly Silicon Valley, libertarian and white male slant, often self-servingly pedantically amoral. The civility here is often arrived at by burying comments that challenge this self-serving slant. Or by an algorithm that systematically buries articles and users (whose accounts accrue ranking penalties) that generate any heated debate by challenging the slant. W…

Civility does not imply that we have to discuss topics that are of interest to you.

If you want to discuss those things, you'll have to find some people who want to discuss them -- clearly, the majority here does not, and they have every right to downvote stuff they don't think belongs on the front page.

Re: Ask HN: Where do you go for civil discussion on the Internet?

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post #8

I mostly stay here. The amount of political and economic discussion here is what I personally consider enough in my life; I don't think looking for more sources would improve SNR for me. I sometimes like to peruse Reddit for some well-defined topics - the trick is to find an appropriate subreddit for it. So, for instance, when I want to follow SpaceX news, I'll tune in to /r/spacex, because quite a lot of people ther…

The problem with HN for politics and economics is its decidedly Silicon Valley, libertarian and white male slant, often self-servingly pedantically amoral. The civility here is often arrived at by burying comments that challenge this self-serving slant. Or by an algorithm that systematically buries articles and users (whose accounts accrue ranking penalties) that generate any heated debate by challenging the slant. W…

Politics is specifically called out as mostly off-topic in the guidelines, and libertarian-leaning political posts are also flagged: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12413342

HN needs fewer polemics, not more.

Re: Ask HN: Where do you go for civil discussion on the Internet?

#145
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Almost all of the popular communities online lean left, take your pick. You have much slimmer pickings if you're a conservative. http://gab.ai recently launched as a pro free-speech twitter alternative, I would also check them out.

> Almost all of the popular communities online lean left, take your pick. Like Reddit where /r/TheDonald is consistently at the top of /r/all, and stories about terrorism on /r/WorldNews devolve into xenophobic rants that stop just short of containing phrases like "the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim?" That's not too "left leaning" to me.

anecdotal garbage. i glance at r/all once or twice a day and the number of threads from /thedonald making an appearance is dwarfed by those from /news and /politics -- both groups that banish even thoughtful "right leaning" comments to the basement. at least with /thedonald, you know there's a political bent. the other groups pretend to be "objective".

Re: Ask HN: Where do you go for civil discussion on the Internet?

#146
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Throwing rights under the bus in the pursuit of money is now leftist? I hope we have Karl Marx' corpse wired up to a generator.

> Throwing rights under the bus in the pursuit of money is now leftist? It's not that it's leftist. It's that the people online tend to lean leftwards, and people investing in online communities want to grab the largest portion of the available population. I will say, however, that the left in the US (namely the Democratic party) certainly seems to be willing to pursue a lot in the name of money (like taking millions…

I doubt however it goes that deep. I mean, your demographic premise is right, but there is more than ample right (whatever you want to mean by that word, really) online population. And I don't think anybody does a careful calculation of whether we should get this slant or that slant based on how many dollars it will bring us - even if it were possible (which I'm pretty sure it's not) nobody does that in practice.

And, if you look at channels like Fox News, it has huge audience. Granted, online audience is different, but in this time and place, it's not that different. It's not 1990s anymore, using the internet is not for the elite anymore, no more than having a cellphone. Everybody now does that (not literally everybody but demographically pretty much all is covered).

So, why many online communities lean leftwards? I'd say because their organizers/maintainers lean leftwards. Those are usually people that are young, frequently college or early post-college age, frequently with background in liberal arts - that demographics leans left. And those that don't lean the same way don't feel comfortable there (and modern college left made making people disagreeing with them feel unwelcome practically into a competition sport) and leave. That'd happen and does happen with no money consideration involved.

Re: Ask HN: Where do you go for civil discussion on the Internet?

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http://notreddit.top Not much political stuff on the past day right now but if you look at the past month's posts about the US presidential candidates you'll see what I'm talking about.

Disclaimer: Observing your election from europe, I have no skin in the game. It seems to me that your current election is a bit of a special entity, so this data might be a bit skewed. I don't know a single conservative/right/center minded person who would support the current repuplican nominee if she/he could. I think this comes from the fact that he is a very unique candidate. Saying that anti Trump is anti right d…

> Disclaimer: Observing your election from europe, I have no skin in the game.

Ah, but you do, unfortunately, in the same way that non-drinking drivers have skin in the game of DUI laws and enforcement.

Re: Ask HN: Where do you go for civil discussion on the Internet?

#150

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It is possible for me to join that community?

Sorry, it's just I'm trying to keep it among known people or people who are vetted by people we know and trust (that also includes IRL identity etc). Like I said, when I see momentum and people deriving tangible benefit from it, I'll take it public! :-)

The second you take it public, it will get destroyed.

It's the classic "I don't want to be in a club that wants me" vs "I want to be in a club that doesn't want me"

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