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Commission says Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13B to Apple

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Re: Commission says Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13B to Apple

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Further, yes Ireland can set their own tax rate, however either has to be fairly applied across the board ie every company gets taxed at the same rate. A figure quoted today said Apple were paying £50 tax for every £1,000,000 profit. This is considerably lower than other companies in Ireland were being taxed at. This is the root of the problem here, not that Ireland has low taxes.

I'm taking it from the tact of "it's ethical for two groups to arrive at whatever deal they'd like, as long as no individual is being deprived of his/her rights." In other words, it doesn't have to be applied across the board to every company at the same rate. If it were, it's unlikely that Apple would have chosen this arrangement with Ireland. You might argue that the people of Ireland are somehow being hurt by this…

Except Ireland joined the EU and with the agreed to the fair and equitable taxation policies. Simply said the agreement is to tax all businesses alike within your borders. The idea is to promote free trade by preventing state aid. So for example the Irish government cannot give a construction company(A) special tax rate that would be lower than that of another construction company(B) as this would give (A) an economic advantage allowing them to submit lower bids for work than (B). So to ensure a level playing field for all you must treat companies equitably, so corporation tax is a flat rate on profits for the small corner shop to the large multinational.

The money would go to the Irish Government, which isn't some African corruption ridden state, so it would have gone on improving things in Ireland.

For example it costs approx €1bn a year to maintain their water supply. As an austerity measure they have had to recently introduce specific water rates rather than cover it from general taxation. This tax bill (if paid at the time it was properly incurred) could have prevented the need for that for a decade or more, and at a time when there was an economic crisis it would have meant consumers having more money available. Instead it can now only be used by the Irish government to pay off their deficit, which is a long term benefit to the Irish people.

Re: Commission says Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13B to Apple

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Apple paid taxes according to Irish laws. Is it Apple's problem that Irish law disagrees with EC agreements? (Seems to be Ireland's problem.) If people want companies to pay certain taxes, they should vote for politicians that pass laws that require companies to pay those taxes.. In any case, we should be taxing land value. That's harder to avoid: you can't hide land.

> In any case, we should be taxing land value. That's harder to avoid: you can't hide land. These companies buy up 1 person offices to use as PO Boxes. Land isn't representative of profits flowing through a place.

Yes. That's why we shouldn't tax profits.

Re: Commission says Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13B to Apple

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Apple paid taxes according to Irish laws. Is it Apple's problem that Irish law disagrees with EC agreements? (Seems to be Ireland's problem.) If people want companies to pay certain taxes, they should vote for politicians that pass laws that require companies to pay those taxes.. In any case, we should be taxing land value. That's harder to avoid: you can't hide land.

> In any case, we should be taxing land value. That's harder to avoid: you can't hide land. Would you also tax virtual property? I guess that would be things like domain names.

No, why?

Re: Commission says Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13B to Apple

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Why not? Rigid adherence to rules without consideration of what's going on doesn't usually end up with a better place.

You seem to be advocating that those in positions of power shouldn't have to adhere to the rules. That doesn't usually end up with a better place.

I'm advocating that Apple bone up and pay taxes, even if there's a way out.

Re: Commission says Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13B to Apple

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Given Ireland broke the law, not Apple, shouldn't they get the punishment?

Apple broke the law. Ireland provided Apple with false assurances that they were tax compliant, but there was nothing stopping Apple being fully aware of applicable EU tax laws.

Perhaps Ireland should be punished (though the government is already arguing there is reputational damage), but you really cannot reasonable argue that Apple is not culpable.

Re: Commission says Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13B to Apple

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You seem to be advocating that those in positions of power shouldn't have to adhere to the rules. That doesn't usually end up with a better place.

I'm advocating that Apple bone up and pay taxes, even if there's a way out.

They do pay taxes. You are advocating that they should pay taxes that they don't owe because an EU bureaucrat wants to increase the power of the EU against the sovereignty of the individual states, in this case Ireland.
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