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Re: 43M passwords hacked in Last.fm breach

#91
post #53

Regular reminder that new users in general don't care at all about the security of your site. Most of your signups are not going to generate and store a secure password "just to try you out", as evidenced by the most common password here "123456". If you force people to signup to try your site/app, many (most?) of them are going to use a crap password. If you're _lucky_ that'll be 123456, and not their email/facebook…

The security model based on passwords kept by site provider is totally broken. I, as a user, don't want to keep 20 different passwords for 20 different sites. What I want, is host my own security agent through which I can talk with any site. If I want to authenticate with site x, I simply point it to my security agent url and that's that. Open ID was/is an idea. This approach will drastically lower the incentive for…

... Until the openid provider is breached, like LinkedIn was. Then you get access to everything for everyone.

Decentralized schemes are safer overall. Ideally you want something like what LastPass does: local credentials replicated on the network in encrypted form. This way you take away responsibility for safe storage from unreliable websites, but you don't place the whole burden on the user (as the data is replicated and locked by a single password).

Re: 43M passwords hacked in Last.fm breach

#92
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The security model based on passwords kept by site provider is totally broken. I, as a user, don't want to keep 20 different passwords for 20 different sites. What I want, is host my own security agent through which I can talk with any site. If I want to authenticate with site x, I simply point it to my security agent url and that's that. Open ID was/is an idea. This approach will drastically lower the incentive for…

... Until the openid provider is breached, like LinkedIn was. Then you get access to everything for everyone . Decentralized schemes are safer overall. Ideally you want something like what LastPass does: local credentials replicated on the network in encrypted form. This way you take away responsibility for safe storage from unreliable websites, but you don't place the whole burden on the user (as the data is replica…

> What I want, is host my own security agent

I don't trust third parties, no matter who they are. Technology can be developed so that the burden on the user is reduced, but nodoby wants to go there, because after all companies do want to have as many data about the user as they can...

Re: 43M passwords hacked in Last.fm breach

#95
We've had zero knowledge password authentication protocols for 20 years. At this point, any pain and suffering from these leaks is blood on the hands of browser vendors and web standards bodies.

Re: 43M passwords hacked in Last.fm breach

#96

> The number of passwords and the severity of the hack was not uncovered until today. The passwords were stored using unsalted MD5 hashing Enough said. > The most popular password pulled from the Last.fm database was 123456. Seriously, it’s 2016 people Sure, but the breach was in 2012 TechCrunch. Better article: http://www.leakedsource.com/blog/lastfm

> The number of passwords and the severity of the hack was not uncovered until today. The passwords were stored using unsalted MD5 hashing

I'm 100% sure it was known it was MD5 before, and I'm 100% sure I've seen pastebins with lots of successfully bruteforced hashes, because my password was among them.

Example: https://blog.lastpass.com/2012/06/in-case-you-missed-it-chan...

Re: 43M passwords hacked in Last.fm breach

#99
post #72

It would be nice if the EU would do something useful like require all sites to hash salted passwords and prohibit the use of weak hashes for new accounts. Instead we get the ridiculous cookie nag.

Being European and computer literate, I hope the EU stops creating stupid and pointless internet laws

Another vote from a fellow European to keep Brussel bureaucrats out of internet.

They have no clue or somehow good intentions always turn our horrible.

An old saying about countries that can't get together a government (like ironically Belgium!) - - it's the best for the people for having a country without the government because then they can't make more stupid laws.

Re: 43M passwords hacked in Last.fm breach

#100

We really need some laws around this... Prison time for web developers that store passwords insecurely, and substantial fines for anyone whose password can be brute forced from one of these leaks.

I'm sure we have a lot of confirmations about alleged leaks if that happens!

If anything, the whole thing goes under radar.

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