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Re: Brave Browser Adds Bitcoin Payments

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Post by MichaelBurge »

It's a neat idea, but I feel like users need to be rewarded for it to really take off. Look at Patreon as an example: If you support someone there, they will often deliver rewards every month and payment is tied to the reward.

This straightforward implementation ignores some of the privacy ideas, but might be a starting point: If a site notices I'm using a Brave-compliant browser, it tells me that I can unlock some new articles, music, artwork, search features, or whatever by funding my Brave wallet and clicking the 'support' button. Once supported, they deliver the missing content.

Even a simple 'Thank you for supporting us with Brave' would probably encourage use.

Re: Brave Browser Adds Bitcoin Payments

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Post by Eridrus »

MichaelBurge wrote: post #2

It's a neat idea, but I feel like users need to be rewarded for it to really take off. Look at Patreon as an example: If you support someone there, they will often deliver rewards every month and payment is tied to the reward. This straightforward implementation ignores some of the privacy ideas, but might be a starting point: If a site notices I'm using a Brave-compliant browser, it tells me that I can unlock some n…

Publishers hate Brave though: they destroy much of the value those impressions have and then take a cut.

Or at least they hate the idea of Brave, I doubt they take it seriously enough to really hate it. Brave will probably be resigned to the software scrap heap after this funding round runs out.

Re: Brave Browser Adds Bitcoin Payments

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Post by espadrine »

anonymousDan wrote: post #4

Can someone elaborate on where the Brave wallet is stored? Is it stored on the clients device or on Brave's servers somewhere?

I feel like articles about the Brave model tend to misleadingly represent the situation.

Brave has servers that replace websites' ads on-the-fly. They receive money from advertizers for doing that. As a result, the wallet is on Brave's servers.

But publishers don't get paid. The money is stuck on Brave's servers until publishers come to an agreement with Brave, which the huge majority of websites have not. In fact, some publishers have expressed their intent to sue Brave (see http://www.wired.com/2016/04/brave-software-publishers-respo...). Since Brave behaves like they have made a unilateral contract with publishers that publishers have not signed, there is a fair chance that the publishers could win in court.

Re: Brave Browser Adds Bitcoin Payments

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Post by espadrine »

MichaelBurge wrote: post #2

It's a neat idea, but I feel like users need to be rewarded for it to really take off. Look at Patreon as an example: If you support someone there, they will often deliver rewards every month and payment is tied to the reward. This straightforward implementation ignores some of the privacy ideas, but might be a starting point: If a site notices I'm using a Brave-compliant browser, it tells me that I can unlock some n…

That is the plan. Of the ad money Brave receives, it is meant to take a small cut, give a large piece to the publisher, and give a cut to the user.

See https://brave.com/assets/blog_images/image03.png from https://blog.brave.com/braves-response-to-the-naa-a-better-d....

Re: Brave Browser Adds Bitcoin Payments

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Post by throwawayReply »

espadrine wrote: post #5
anonymousDan wrote: post #4

Can someone elaborate on where the Brave wallet is stored? Is it stored on the clients device or on Brave's servers somewhere?

I feel like articles about the Brave model tend to misleadingly represent the situation. Brave has servers that replace websites' ads on-the-fly. They receive money from advertizers for doing that. As a result, the wallet is on Brave's servers. But publishers don't get paid. The money is stuck on Brave's servers until publishers come to an agreement with Brave, which the huge majority of websites have not. In fact, s…

Could this push advertisers toward delivery over https?

I am assuming that brave won't replace https content on the fly of course.

Re: Brave Browser Adds Bitcoin Payments

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Post by k__ »

They wrote about URL based microdonations.

For example for content creators like youtubers so that youtube doesnt get a cut from the donation.

How does Brave decide who has a legitimate claim on that money?!

Re: Brave Browser Adds Bitcoin Payments

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Post by espadrine »

throwawayReply wrote: post #7
espadrine wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like articles about the Brave model tend to misleadingly represent the situation. Brave has servers that replace websites' ads on-the-fly. They receive money from advertizers for doing that. As a result, the wallet is on Brave's servers. But publishers don't get paid. The money is stuck on Brave's servers until publishers come to an agreement with Brave, which the huge majority of websites have not. In fact, s…

Could this push advertisers toward delivery over https? I am assuming that brave won't replace https content on the fly of course.

In theory, they actually can replace https content on the fly.

They are the browser. They have control.

They can convert the visible URL to a call to their proxy server, which performs an HTTPS call on your behalf. They receive the request, replace ads, and send it back to you in TLS, along with the certificate information that they received from the real server, which they'd show the user.

But I expect they won't do that, so one can hope.

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