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A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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post #114

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> They do the tests to validate that this rocket won't turn into a cruise missile, headed for the nearest residential area. In that case the rocket has a flight-termination system, though, which should activate as soon as it veers too far outside the planned/expected parameters of the flight.

This discussion reminds me of the failure of the first Ariane 5 launch. The flight-termination system was activate erroneously, and the payload was not insured. Ouch. http://www.esa.int/esapub/bulletin/bullet87/cavall87.htm https://around.com/ariane.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_%28spacecraft%29

That's not what happened - the rocket went out of control due to a software bug allowed by over-reliance on unit testing, and was quite properly deliberately destroyed.

But yes, Cluster was run on the cheap, hence the use of the Ariane 5 test flight, and didn't have insurance.

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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Interested to know more about the fuels... when I searched for info about Falcon-9 fueling a week or two ago (having briefly conceived of a semi-idle interest in rocket propellants) I read it was RP-1 plus oxidiser - so basically "just" high-spec kerosene. That doesn't jibe with supercooling in my mind... Please enlighten us further.

For oxygen to be liquid it needs high pressure and low temperature.

Actually, atmospheric pressure is enough, and oxygen boils at a slightly higher temperature than nitrogen.

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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post #125

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For more context, all (edit: American!) rockets for decades have had onboard self destruct systems and a "Range Safety Officer" on the ground whose entire job is to determine if and when to deploy this self destruct system. The cruise missile scenario is highly unlikely as the rocket itself would be destroyed soon after leaving its intended trajectory.

Not all rockets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelsat_708 (China, CZ-3B, Intelsat 708 payload, the launcher flew off-course and crashed on a village in 1996: by some estimates 200-500 civilians were killed.)

That links to http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2323/1 where one of the comments is:

> Like Russian vehicles, there is no flight termination system that receives ground commands onboard Chinese launch vehicles. Only US and ESA launch sites have such a system. Correction, Falcon 1 did not have such a system for launching on Kwaj.

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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post #78
post #61

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There were no personal injuries, so I can't really be sad about a piece of electronics.

On any project like that many engineers involved will have invested more than regular hours and pushed their work life balance - losing it all a couple of days from launch into space - that's harsh dude

Can you prove any of this?

Knowing how smart and methodological Musk is, I wouldn't be surprised if the rule at the office is actually to leave your desk and go home at 5pm sharp.

You are prone to make more mistakes when you tired and overworked and I cannot imagine more important place not to make mistakes, than building a rocket.

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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This type of hardware failure makes me glad to do software where the most damage that can happen is an unhappy customer, not a huge explosion. Also why I was glad to give up a chemistry career after nearly poisoning everyone in the building when the hood system failed.

What makes you think this couldn't be a software bug? Studying about bugs like Therac-25 [1] were standard practice at my school to show what it takes to make software an engineering discipline.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On any project like that many engineers involved will have invested more than regular hours and pushed their work life balance - losing it all a couple of days from launch into space - that's harsh dude

Can you prove any of this? Knowing how smart and methodological Musk is, I wouldn't be surprised if the rule at the office is actually to leave your desk and go home at 5pm sharp. You are prone to make more mistakes when you tired and overworked and I cannot imagine more important place not to make mistakes, than building a rocket.

It's pretty well documented that people at SpaceX work 80+ hours a week consistently:

https://www.quora.com/How-many-hours-a-week-does-a-typical-S...

http://spacenews.com/op-ed-3-things-to-know-if-you-want-to-w...

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/25ixxq/is_spacex_wo...

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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The payload was apparently on the rocket at the time[1]. A $200 million loss there, which sucks for the insurance company but better than losing a $2b custom government bird. [1] https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/771352977315684352...

> A $200 million loss there, which sucks for the insurance company but better than losing a $2b custom government bird. In fairness, when did the government last lose a bird? Doesn't the ULA have a '100%' success rate (where success is getting payload to space, though some payloads fail to make it to the planned orbit)

I suspect the $2b custom government bird refers to the space shuttle. Of which we have, in fact, lost more than one.

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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post #9

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Test fire for the launch of a commercial satellite (AMOS-6), which had been scheduled for a few days hence (and now presumably delayed, along with the rest of their launch schedule, pending further investigation). It might conceivably have been during fueling/de-fueling around the test. It's not yet clear from public reports whether the payload was attached at the time of the test-fire; sometimes they are, sometimes…

Interested to know more about the fuels... when I searched for info about Falcon-9 fueling a week or two ago (having briefly conceived of a semi-idle interest in rocket propellants) I read it was RP-1 plus oxidiser - so basically "just" high-spec kerosene. That doesn't jibe with supercooling in my mind... Please enlighten us further.

They chill the fuel and oxidizer to slush, just above their freezing point, to fit more of it into the same volume and save on structure.

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On any project like that many engineers involved will have invested more than regular hours and pushed their work life balance - losing it all a couple of days from launch into space - that's harsh dude

Can you prove any of this? Knowing how smart and methodological Musk is, I wouldn't be surprised if the rule at the office is actually to leave your desk and go home at 5pm sharp. You are prone to make more mistakes when you tired and overworked and I cannot imagine more important place not to make mistakes, than building a rocket.

Then again, you also have the payload manufacturer and other involved parties, which are not managed by Musk. Either way, a lot of hard work has gone up in flames, and people will be understandably disappointed.

Re: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket has exploded at Cape Canaveral

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post #27

"This rocket was scheduled to launch the Amos-6 communication satellite, which among other functions included the capabilities for Facebook to spot-beam broadband for Facebook’s Internet.org initiative" Bad karma

a facebook satelite doesn't sound too good anyways.
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