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Re: DDoS protection

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Post by comboy » Thu, Sep 01, 2016, 10:23 AM UTC

nik736 wrote: post #13

I'm from Germany but Online.net is the way better alternative to Hetzner for me. Server grade hardware, cheaper, no compromises, internal network, etc. etc. I think they even hired a lot new support people recently so you get an answer pretty fast. Hetzner always has this "cheap feeling" even though the hardware looks good on paper.

Have you been using online.net for long? Their offer looks interesting except for availability rate 99.5%. That's almost 4 hours of downtime every month. within availability range.

Re: DDoS protection

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Post by lossolo » Thu, Sep 01, 2016, 10:29 AM UTC

comboy wrote: post #21

nik736 wrote: post #13

I'm from Germany but Online.net is the way better alternative to Hetzner for me. Server grade hardware, cheaper, no compromises, internal network, etc. etc. I think they even hired a lot new support people recently so you get an answer pretty fast. Hetzner always has this "cheap feeling" even though the hardware looks good on paper.

Have you been using online.net for long? Their offer looks interesting except for availability rate 99.5%. That's almost 4 hours of downtime every month. within availability range.

I have couple of dedicated servers there. No downtime. But i had problems with support when one of hard drives was EOL and was causing problems. They launched with Live CD and said that everything is fine, i needed to show them logs from dedicated hp raid software and after that they replaced the hard drive. Overall besides that one incident i had no problems at all.

Re: DDoS protection

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Post by lossolo » Thu, Sep 01, 2016, 10:32 AM UTC

nik736 wrote: post #18

fabian2k wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get server grade hardware with the PX line at Hetzner, which is a bit more expensive of course. And an internal network is possible as well from what I read, though you have to pay for the Flexi pack because it counts as a modification of your server.

The internal network is a joke, it only works if you have all of your servers in one rack and you need to rent a switch to connect all of them. Online.net has a real RPN where you can add SAN storage to it etc etc. The PX line is a Fujitsu Desktop PC with a server CPU and ECC Ram. For me that's a compromise I don't really like. Also the network is a bit shitty since they don't route through DTAG (largest german carri…

If you need xx TB storage servers then you will not find any cheaper hardware + storage + network option in EU than in hetzner. I have storage servers there.

Re: DDoS protection

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Post by nik736 » Thu, Sep 01, 2016, 10:33 AM UTC

comboy wrote: post #21

nik736 wrote: post #13

I'm from Germany but Online.net is the way better alternative to Hetzner for me. Server grade hardware, cheaper, no compromises, internal network, etc. etc. I think they even hired a lot new support people recently so you get an answer pretty fast. Hetzner always has this "cheap feeling" even though the hardware looks good on paper.

Have you been using online.net for long? Their offer looks interesting except for availability rate 99.5%. That's almost 4 hours of downtime every month. within availability range.

Yes, for several years. I am also using Scaleway (their bare metal cloud) which is dirt cheap, you get a 8 Core Atom (4000 Passmark score) with 32 GB Ram and a 250 GB direct attached SSD for 22 EUR / month.

You can get more uptime (99.95%), more IPs, better and faster support with their business service (35 EUR / month).

Re: DDoS protection

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Post by StanAngeloff » Thu, Sep 01, 2016, 10:34 AM UTC

We used to run some basic infrastructure on Hetzner. The support was appalling – any requests for help were swiftly met with short answers such as "Unfortunately we can not help you here". That makes me question how responsive and understanding Hetzner's staff will be in case of an on-going DDoS that their automated systems are unable to detect and take care of.

What sort of scenario would benefit from the announced DDoS protection? People are surely not running websites on commodity hardware.

Re: DDoS protection

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Post by notum » Thu, Sep 01, 2016, 10:36 AM UTC

comboy wrote: post #21

nik736 wrote: post #13

I'm from Germany but Online.net is the way better alternative to Hetzner for me. Server grade hardware, cheaper, no compromises, internal network, etc. etc. I think they even hired a lot new support people recently so you get an answer pretty fast. Hetzner always has this "cheap feeling" even though the hardware looks good on paper.

Have you been using online.net for long? Their offer looks interesting except for availability rate 99.5%. That's almost 4 hours of downtime every month. within availability range.

They have very competitive pricing and I haven't had major issues with them, polite and fast support as well.

The only thing that rubbed me the wrong way is that they downright refuse to delete your credit card from their system when you terminate your (fully paid) account.

Re: DDoS protection

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Post by jpkeisala » Thu, Sep 01, 2016, 10:36 AM UTC

bogomipz wrote: post #17

Can someone from the EU or DE talk about where Hetzner sits reputation-wise for those not familiar with them. Are they a solid provider?

They don't have good reputation but I am Hetzner customer. I have run Windows Server and some smaller Linux boxes more than 2 years and I haven't had any problems. What I have understood from comments that you need to take care of everything yourself but that is really the same case in EC2 and Azure in the end of the day.

Re: DDoS protection

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Post by WA » Thu, Sep 01, 2016, 10:37 AM UTC

bogomipz wrote: post #17

Can someone from the EU or DE talk about where Hetzner sits reputation-wise for those not familiar with them. Are they a solid provider?

Yes, they're solid. They exist for many years. I'm a customer since 2008 I think, but they're way older than that.

Re: DDoS protection

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Post by nik736 » Thu, Sep 01, 2016, 10:39 AM UTC

lossolo wrote: post #23

nik736 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internal network is a joke, it only works if you have all of your servers in one rack and you need to rent a switch to connect all of them. Online.net has a real RPN where you can add SAN storage to it etc etc. The PX line is a Fujitsu Desktop PC with a server CPU and ECC Ram. For me that's a compromise I don't really like. Also the network is a bit shitty since they don't route through DTAG (largest german carri…

If you need xx TB storage servers then you will not find any cheaper hardware + storage + network option in EU than in hetzner. I have storage servers there.

That's true, I agree. If you just need cheap storage Hetzner is probably the way to go.

On the other hand, if you need 24x 1 TB SSD storage with a 10gbit RPN connection: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CblcJ2pUUAAtbhK.jpg :-)

Re: DDoS protection

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Post by nik736 » Thu, Sep 01, 2016, 10:42 AM UTC

notum wrote: post #26

comboy wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you been using online.net for long? Their offer looks interesting except for availability rate 99.5%. That's almost 4 hours of downtime every month. within availability range.

They have very competitive pricing and I haven't had major issues with them, polite and fast support as well. The only thing that rubbed me the wrong way is that they downright refuse to delete your credit card from their system when you terminate your (fully paid) account.

Yes, such shenanigans suck.

But they are not the only ones (not that this makes it good)... Linode did the same to me, I asked kindly after their latest data breach and they refused to do so.