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Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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This is only related in that it's another person incarcerated over LSD, but I've always found this individual and his story pretty fascinating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Leonard_Pickard http://www.freeleonardpickard.org/Skinner-Timeline.html The second link discusses Gordon Todd Skinner, who was the informant that facilitated the arrest of Pickard. I don't know how much of that information is accurate, bu…

Free Pickard!

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post #122

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Then his (and your) grasp of grammar is a little off. The conversation until then had been contrasting LSD and booze. Alcohol is most definitely the more destructive of those two.

ghshephard changed the conversation talking about the position of alcohol in the ranking "of substances" by destructiveness. You might think that he meant "of substances that are either alcohol or LSD," but given that he can't think of any reason why a heroin addict would be harmful to others I think he had a wider interpretation in mind.

Looking at the sentence structure I'm afraid it's obvioua toe he was still talking about the comparison of the two, he mentions both in the post, and the context of talking about the comparison is there.

Regardless, his/her interlocutor has hopefully had their eyes opened by the conversation, in which they said that even making the comparison was offensive.

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post #189

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ghshephard changed the conversation talking about the position of alcohol in the ranking "of substances" by destructiveness. You might think that he meant "of substances that are either alcohol or LSD," but given that he can't think of any reason why a heroin addict would be harmful to others I think he had a wider interpretation in mind.

Looking at the sentence structure I'm afraid it's obvioua toe he was still talking about the comparison of the two, he mentions both in the post, and the context of talking about the comparison is there. Regardless, his/her interlocutor has hopefully had their eyes opened by the conversation, in which they said that even making the comparison was offensive.

It's true - I was originally referring to Alcohol versus LSD (as that was what the parent was trying to compare, and couldn't believe that LSD wasn't terribly dangerous). But, I was prepared to also discuss the relevant merits of Alcoholic abusers and Heroin Abusers (and users) as well.

I think, much like people get used to the death rate from Car Accidents, and don't think of Cars as dangerous, people have gotten used to Alcohol issues in society, and don't think of it as dangerous, when it very much is. (Front page of New York Times is discussing an Alcohol related sexual also case in Palo Alto that almost certainly wouldn't have happened if the two parties had been sober).

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That makes sense emotionally, but in reality in FPTP you just enabled the even worse other party. If you want your voice fairly represented, you'll need other voting mechanisms and non-partisan districting mechanisms. Your wish is legitimate, but unfortunately the current system limits your useful actions.

There's no mathematical reason why the two winning parties in FPTP have to be the same two parties forever. It is the media coverage that makes it so, and concerted voting for a single third party could make that party part of a new duopoly.

Sure, you're right about that. In fact, we may be in an era where that might be possible at the moment (probably in the next election though). However, when a third party is actually viable, you'll know it well before election day.

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But he was NOT convicted and sent to prison for rape, it was sexual assault and in some states penal systems those are different crimes with different sentencing guidelines: "On October 7, 2015, after reviewing the results of DNA tests, the two rape charges were dropped by prosecutors.[7][12][14][15] The trial began on March 14, 2016,[16] and concluded on March 30, 2016, with Turner's conviction on the three remainin…

How does someone downvote another for presenting a fact? What I have learned from Hackernews is at this point is not to participate in non-technical discussions. As they are mostly just mob mentality. How do you downvote someone that took the time to participate in a discussion? Its amazing to see that every single comment I have made in this discussion has been downvoted? I've said nothing outrageous, I have offered…

BTW, I didn't downvote you.

I think you are splitting hairs here on rape. OK, 8 years average conviction on rape, if the victim pursues it. Still 8 years with possible time off for good behavior on a very violent crime vs. Selling LSD -> life sentence. I still fail to see aside from the law how you think the punishment is in proportion to the actions, which was the point I was trying to convey.

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post #189

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ghshephard changed the conversation talking about the position of alcohol in the ranking "of substances" by destructiveness. You might think that he meant "of substances that are either alcohol or LSD," but given that he can't think of any reason why a heroin addict would be harmful to others I think he had a wider interpretation in mind.

Looking at the sentence structure I'm afraid it's obvioua toe he was still talking about the comparison of the two, he mentions both in the post, and the context of talking about the comparison is there. Regardless, his/her interlocutor has hopefully had their eyes opened by the conversation, in which they said that even making the comparison was offensive.

According to the author of the comment your interpretation is correct, but it's far from obvious.

"Alcohol is unquestionably the more destructive of substances, LSD ranks far lower in this scale."

- The sentence comes right after he points to the chart of 20 drugs ordered by "harm score", where alcohol is #1 and LSD is #18.

- He says "of substances" without any qualification like "of those substances" or "of both substances".

- He mentions that LSD ranks much lower. However, both interpretations 1) "alcohol is unquestionably the more destructive of alcohol and LSD, because LSD ranks much lower than alcohol in the scale of harm" and 2) "alcohol is unquestionably the more destructive of all substances because it's #1, and LSD ranks much lower in the scale" are possible.

Anyway, I was wrong.

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The downside of this, sadly, is that he appears to have mental health issues. Unless he has some outside support, which may be difficult with his dad being dead and having been incarcerated since something like 1994, he would be rather likely to end up on the street, alone :( Here's hoping there are people on the outside to help him out.

>incarcerated since something like 1994 Wow. Wait until he sees a cell-phone...

You are aware they have television, newspapers, books, and, yes, even in some cases cell phones in prison, aren't you?

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Journalists' livelihoods are dependent on not misquoting those who they interview. The claim was that the quote is a fabrication. How can the journalist possibly defend against this charge? It's requiring him to prove a negative.

Actually, the previous poster's claim is worse than that. This journalist does have notes and so if it mattered enough, those could be subjected to forensic examination to see if they're consistent with the time period of the interview. The poster is basically denying something for which there is almost certainly actual physical evidence corroborating Baum's story, as well as apparently defaming a professional journa…

Sorry, no, questioning a journalist's claims is not defamation.

The family thinks this quote is bunk, too.

"We never saw or heard anything from our dad, John Ehrlichman, that was derogatory about any person of color," wrote Peter Ehrlichman, Tom Ehrlichman, Jan Ehrlichman, Michael Ehrlichman and Jody E. Pineda in a statement provided to CNN.

"The 1994 alleged 'quote' we saw repeated in social media for the first time today does not square with what we know of our father. And collectively, that spans over 185 years of time with him," the Ehrlichman family wrote. "We do not subscribe to the alleged racist point of view that this writer now implies 22 years following the so-called interview of John and 16 years following our father's death, when dad can no longer respond. None of us have raised our kids that way, and that's because we were not raised that way."

from: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-r...

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How does someone downvote another for presenting a fact? What I have learned from Hackernews is at this point is not to participate in non-technical discussions. As they are mostly just mob mentality. How do you downvote someone that took the time to participate in a discussion? Its amazing to see that every single comment I have made in this discussion has been downvoted? I've said nothing outrageous, I have offered…

BTW, I didn't downvote you. I think you are splitting hairs here on rape. OK, 8 years average conviction on rape, if the victim pursues it. Still 8 years with possible time off for good behavior on a very violent crime vs. Selling LSD -> life sentence. I still fail to see aside from the law how you think the punishment is in proportion to the actions, which was the point I was trying to convey.

Well I'm not sure someone serving 8 years vs 4 years would agree with you. Its double the amount, I'm not sure I would say that's splitting hairs. Time off is a fact of many sentences in an overcrowded penal system.

I never stated that I agreed with the sentencing guidelines, which I absolutely and emphatically do not. What I said was that there was a reason in the eyes of the law for using weight including paper as metric. Whether you agree with it or not that's their logic. I never said anything more.

I guess that simply pointing that out there was another side to this was enough for being downvoted as if I am some "tough on crime, law and order" Republican?

That's unfortunate because it was a topic that I thought was interesting and a case that I have actually kept up on over the years.

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>incarcerated since something like 1994 Wow. Wait until he sees a cell-phone...

You are aware they have television, newspapers, books, and, yes, even in some cases cell phones in prison, aren't you?

Sure, but I'd be surprised if they had iphone 6s laying around.
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