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Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

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Hey guys, just wanted to clear the air on some of the speculation: I'm actually with WrkRiot and can guarantee you we're not the company in question: I've got many weeks of paid on time pay stubs sitting right here. Plus we didn't have anyone matching any of the descriptions in this article. Interesting article though, it's really shitty some have bad experiences like this.

Disregarding everything else pointed out in this thread, there's also the part where the website for the older name of the company, 1for.one, still lists Penny Kim as the Marketing Director: http://web.1for.one/digital-press-kit/ And, just in case they now decide to remove that, I also saved it to the wayback machine, available here: https://web.archive.org/web/20160829104022/http://web.1for.o... So good try, scumbag…

What is funny, is that Tess Stevens, that chick who were working at Wrkiot and was taking credit from Kim's work may have deleted her twitter account, but she didn't with her SoundCloud and band camp accounts https://www.vingle.net/TessStevens https://tessstevens.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/tessstevens

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#583
What is funny, is that Tess Stevens, that chick who were working at Wrkiot and was taking credit from Kim's work may have deleted her twitter account, but she didn't with her SoundCloud and band camp accounts https://www.vingle.net/TessStevens https://tessstevens.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/tessstevens

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#584
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here how it happens: a company, that is not really a company, keeps applying for tons of h1b. they usually have some title like consulting. they get the h1b and don't even bring the programmers from India. they become "visa holders" companies. the h1b's then start to look for work on their own, or the holder. and once the programmer is hired, the visa holder company gets paid, take 70% (or 60% if the programmer found…

most of what you say is true. they can endure such jobs only for 6yrs, beyond which the company that sponsored the visa has to file for a green card (if they do, then the employee can continue suffering for a few more years).If they dont file for a GC, then its a one way ticket back to their home country (or go to Canada with a PR ready). the 70-30 split, is something I used to fume about, thinking its unfair to the…

> They pay the employee $.7X, and charge the client $X for every hr worked.

That's a failing consulting company. A profitable consulting company needs to bill at 3x to 5x wages to support the overhead of sales and management. Even an individual, with no overhead but themselves, needs to bill at 2x what their desired wage would be if full-time.

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#585

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Totally second this. Particularly look at: 1 How they treat their customers 2 How they treat their affiliates 3 How they encourage their affiliates to treat their customers.

And how they tread people they consider to be 'below' them, such as waiters, cab drivers and so on. That's a pretty good tell.

My new best signal is if they don't seem to listen during a conversation. They only talk and occasionally pause while waiting to make their next point.

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

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An honest CEO would have awarded stock in lieu of pay.

as an ex-CEO who offered stock to employees in lieu of pay because my startup was running low on funds, it was all rejected. i later found out when i left the room, some of the employees actually mocked me and made it seem like i was just trying to scam them. one of them said something like "he's offering us stock in a company that is basically worthless, does he think we are idiots?" just to be clear, the company wa…

Eh, I can see that going both ways. As far as fluidity is concerned, stocks in a small, private company may as well be worth $0 since you can't pay rent or buy groceries with them. Nice gesture on your part though: still didn't deserve mockery. Hopefully it was just their fear talking. :)

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

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Where exactly do you believe I "demanded" anything? I simply mocked YOUR demand (funny how this ended in me getting criticized for being demanding...) if someone dare even ask who these founders are, they must give her a six figure sum...

I did not in fact demand anything. I said explained a way that people could make whistleblowers more comfortable if they really wanted more information public.

Okay, great. Thanks for the contribution in telling anyone that if they want to know information they should offer a stranger six figures. Great contribution. I was clearly wrong.

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

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So to recap: "I cannot fathom what you mean" "Apparently you think that kelukelugames has the right to force Penny Kim to make public statements that would put her at the risk of a major lawsuit. Can kelukelugames compel this of everyone who has a bad employer experience? By what mechanism is the right enforced? What are the penalties if kelukelugames right to know is not enforced?" Wait so is it that you don't under…

When you say, "X has a right to Y", a reasonable interpretation of that is, "Someone(Z) is punished if X is denied access to Y". For example, I could say I have a right to structurally secure buildings. If the floor of the mall falls apart underneath me, I can sue them for damages for not obeying the building code. If the mall's owners refuse to pay, the police will storm their house to extract payment(and if they re…

You all seem to have this super bizarre belief that I was forcing someone to divulge information by saying I believed they should do it? Do you actually believe that or is this just a convenient thing to nit over?

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#589

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So to recap: "I cannot fathom what you mean" "Apparently you think that kelukelugames has the right to force Penny Kim to make public statements that would put her at the risk of a major lawsuit. Can kelukelugames compel this of everyone who has a bad employer experience? By what mechanism is the right enforced? What are the penalties if kelukelugames right to know is not enforced?" Wait so is it that you don't under…

> you literally are making up my point? Those are how rights work: through obligation and enforcement. A right to know is a positive right [1], which means other people are compelled to provide it for you. E.g., I have a legal right to know the financials of publicly traded companies. If a company fails to honor my right, the SEC will come after them. First with lawyers, then with people with guns. > Oh hey, another…

Seriously, is there a single shred of your being that believe that I was compelling this stranger to provide information...?

We both know that you can't believe that, so why are you arguing your point as if you do...? What offends you so much that some stranger on the internet said that it was right for this information to be out in the open? Are you just completely desperate to argue with a stranger over nothing and change the topic to argue semantics? Maybe try reddit?

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#590

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you say, "X has a right to Y", a reasonable interpretation of that is, "Someone(Z) is punished if X is denied access to Y". For example, I could say I have a right to structurally secure buildings. If the floor of the mall falls apart underneath me, I can sue them for damages for not obeying the building code. If the mall's owners refuse to pay, the police will storm their house to extract payment(and if they re…

You all seem to have this super bizarre belief that I was forcing someone to divulge information by saying I believed they should do it? Do you actually believe that or is this just a convenient thing to nit over?

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