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Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

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What could have they done in this situation?

Assuming that they acutally are legally in the country, they could have talked to a lawyer and try to find a new job.

and the lawyer would tell them "don't bother, just go" unless the lawyer just wants to make free money. honestly, getting H1B is tough enough already - trying to secure an extension or transfer of H1B when your first one is entangled in fraud, practically impossible.

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#542
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Just to be clear, your offer is this ex-employee possibly gets to pay a $x00k legal bill for your convenience, right? Read about, eg, what happened to Mother Jones when a billionaire sued them. It's easy for one person with more money than the other to impose huge costs in our legal system.

You're right, we should never ever do the right thing and just live in fear.

nah you're right, we should all be generous and give all YOUR money and things away. not our stuff though, we wanna keep those. let's just give away YOUR money.

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#543

Hey guys, just wanted to clear the air on some of the speculation: I'm actually with WrkRiot and can guarantee you we're not the company in question: I've got many weeks of paid on time pay stubs sitting right here. Plus we didn't have anyone matching any of the descriptions in this article. Interesting article though, it's really shitty some have bad experiences like this.

Also the ceo isaac choi seems to be claiming he was a JP Morgan analyst on his crunchbase profile: https://www.crunchbase.com/person/isaac-choi-2#/entity

Did anyone else notice that he started at JP Morgan in 2007 and left in 2002? Similarly messed up dates for T&W :P

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#544
post #479

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No. Nada. Wrong. False. Truth-through-repetition. Have a nice nice life distancing yourself from any responsibility.

The employee isn't the one who made the choice to defraud people. The employer did. Hence, the employer has all responsibility for what they did.

The original context was a H1B via employee who realized, or suspected, what was going on but didn't leave.

> They'll say something about being able to leave, but completely ignoring the situation being extremely stressful and scary. Victim blaming and a complete lack of empathy will ensue.

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#545
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An aside that seems relevant to a general discussion of "name vs not name": I've noticed that you (or a set of users that share your very unique username, perhaps) spend a ton of time attacking Redfin on various social media accounts (HN, Reddit, Facebook). I used to work there, too, and it's strange that you consistently describe the company in a negative way that is unfamiliar at best and completely unwarranted to…

This probably isn't the best phrasing: > It sounds like you had a really bad experience, which of course is your prerogative. Sharing it might be someone's prerogative but labelling their experience this way doesn't feel up to HN standards.

You're right that it isn't the best word choice -- I meant to say that it's not my place or anyone else's to comment on the lived experience of an individual at or with an institution. What I take issue with is generalizing a subjective experience to color and characterize an entire institution.

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#546
post #484

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This probably isn't the best phrasing: > It sounds like you had a really bad experience, which of course is your prerogative. Sharing it might be someone's prerogative but labelling their experience this way doesn't feel up to HN standards.

It's fine, I'm pretty sure I know the guy. I think he's an engineering manager. Managers like him are why so few are willing to speak up. People get defensive real quick. See the video posted below. He knows my facebook account so I don't see how he thinks I'm trying to stay anonymous. Though I'm flattered he read thousands of my tweets to find the four or five about Redfin.

I am not an engineering manager -- and for what it's worth, not a manager at all, just a regular old line employee (or was until a few months ago). As I said, I'm just an ex-Redfinnian who is a minority and experienced an environment that is very different from what you describe, which made me very curious to understand the gap between our experiences -- and if I'm being completely honest, eager to defend a company which has been generally wonderful to me with regards to fostering an inclusive and safe work environment, and unequivocally not one that "retaliates" in the manner you describe.

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

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Thank you! This is probably just Tess on her own thinking she's being proactive and in charge of corporate image. Someone should tell her that accusing someone of extortion without proof is likewise libelous.

Tess, i don't remember that character in the saga? Or do you mean Jess, as in Jessica?

Yes, the name to which I've referred is the pseudonym Jessica though her real name is not a matter of record, though powers-that-be consider discussion of her on this forum now to be a witch hunt and off-topic.

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#548

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An aside that seems relevant to a general discussion of "name vs not name": I've noticed that you (or a set of users that share your very unique username, perhaps) spend a ton of time attacking Redfin on various social media accounts (HN, Reddit, Facebook). I used to work there, too, and it's strange that you consistently describe the company in a negative way that is unfamiliar at best and completely unwarranted to…

A ton of time is an exaggeration. I think this is the first time Redfin is mentioned by name on HN.[1] And I don't think my account is anon if you and Glenn both can figure out who I am. I enjoyed working at Redfin, and I believe they are disrupting real estate in a good way. I would say I love the site. I spend a ton of time advocating for Redfin. But I wish Glenn tried to build a more inclusive work environment. Wh…

Thanks for sharing these experiences, man. I never heard of an incident like the one you describe, but I can totally believe that experiences like these happen by the law of large numbers. To employ a tired but accurate adage, no organization of any meaningful size is immune to this category of concerns, especially not in the tech world.

Which of course is no excuse; where my experience remains different than yours is in your characterization of the management team. I've found them to be proactive and sensitive in forwarding inclusiveness and educating employees on the ways inadvertent discrimination can cause harm -- and as a minority, I never had any problems. As I'm early in my career I don't have much of a benchmark, but I'd love to PM you to understand what you would have done better. Above all, thanks for engaging productively -- I apologize for coming in hot, but hope you understand that I feel loyal to an organization and leadership team that, in my view, has done a fantastic job making me feel welcome.

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#549

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Tess, i don't remember that character in the saga? Or do you mean Jess, as in Jessica?

Yes, the name to which I've referred is the pseudonym Jessica though her real name is not a matter of record, though powers-that-be consider discussion of her on this forum now to be a witch hunt and off-topic.

That is correct. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12395442.

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

#550
post #270

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here how it happens: a company, that is not really a company, keeps applying for tons of h1b. they usually have some title like consulting. they get the h1b and don't even bring the programmers from India. they become "visa holders" companies. the h1b's then start to look for work on their own, or the holder. and once the programmer is hired, the visa holder company gets paid, take 70% (or 60% if the programmer found…

most of what you say is true. they can endure such jobs only for 6yrs, beyond which the company that sponsored the visa has to file for a green card (if they do, then the employee can continue suffering for a few more years).If they dont file for a GC, then its a one way ticket back to their home country (or go to Canada with a PR ready). the 70-30 split, is something I used to fume about, thinking its unfair to the…

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the problem exists with those h1b consulting companies, that fudge resumes, fake phone interviews to get someone with zero knowledge into a job with a client. Those are the companies that are poisoning the well and making it tough for people like us and employers like mine, who are using the H1b option the way it is meant to be. In fact, its worse for those who who studied in US, and worked with an employer for ~2 years on Optional Practical Training (work auth while on student visa after graduation), lose out on H1b lottery because it was oversubscribed by such fraudsters. Its not just the employee losing out, even the company that invested in that employee is losing out.

Once, I interviewed a senior engineer to join my team and it was shocking for me to come across a resume that was as experienced as I was, but had zero knowledge. Later did some prodding on the candidate's past experience, realized its a fake resume with fake experience.

I can only pity those h1b employees at this scamming company. The sad H1b rules, that tie them to the sponsoring employer, is the reason such practices exist.

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