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Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by steve-howard »

dfischer wrote: post #12
memracom wrote: post #6

Rather than weakening the attacker (killing the bacteria) we could look for ways to strengthen the organism (boost the body's own defense mechanisms). The health industry as a whole, has been weakened by the discovery of antibiotics and designer molecules, and as a result now spends too many resources on looking for killer chemicals (antibiotics and other drugs). But there are other ways. One way is to follow the thr…

Crazy - I never actually took a step back and wondered if we could boost our defense as a strategy. In a geeky way, we keep drinking health potions to recover HP but if we had a shit ton of armor then we wouldn't need the HP potions to begin with. :)

On the other hand, "Immune Boosting†" products are rampant and they get to make all kinds of unsubstantiated claims about their capacity to Boost the Immune System so long as they either claim to be homeopathic or market themselves as supplements and include the boilerplate disclaimer that never seems to harm sales:

†These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by hjrnunes »

Fomite wrote: post #104
Mz wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those folks also lacked the internet, where ordinary people can look up extraordinary things that previously could have only been learned by a select few privileged people, if at all. We also have a global economy of a sort that did not exist previously. Things that would have been exotic not that long ago can be acquired readily by people who aren't wealthy by first world standards. People used to routinely suffer s…

So "old fashioned lifestyle approaches" requires the internet and global access to non-native food sources.

It requires knowledge.

And global access to non-native food sources exists since the 15th century.

The difference is whether mostly everyone has access to it.

So yeah. I'd say he's right and I'd bet your fancy shmancy genetic engineering won't wield anything significant but for a residual percentage of very specific cases.

As has most medical technology. The overwhelming majority of diagnostics are still made via question/answer, palpation and hearing.

Mass promiscuity has consequences, just like poor sanitary habits have them.

No amount of technology will change that.

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by hjrnunes »

Fomite wrote: post #103
Mz wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did not say they were. Bone marrow is also an important part of the immune system. That does not mean it only comes into play for bone infections.

Bone marrow produces lymphocytes, which are disseminated throughout the body. What mechanism of action are you proposing for "gut health" (also define what gut health means) to prevent an STI?

I've read that even mental disease has been linked to digestive problems.

The body is a complex adaptive system. We still lack methodology to properly and effectively study such systems.

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Post by tanto »

ricksplat wrote: post #108
tanto wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask your brother to stop the intake of sugar completely for 3 month (including all the hidden sugar in any processed food). I know this from myself and couple people which had acne that if you stop the intake of artificial sugar long enough the acne will mostly vanish. Even today whenever I eat high amounts of sugar I know for sure what will happen. I think this is a good example of misuse of antibiotics.

I can say that this corresponds to my experience. I underwent a rigorous transformation from obese teenager one summer, which included a fairly strict diet. I used to have bad acne but since then have been barely troubled by it. I have a number of friends who have acne trouble who say they have tried "everything" but I wonder have they tried anything like this for such a protracted period ...

It is really hard to stop eating sugar so drastically but it helped me a lot. After that eating even a small piece of chocolate was giving me a sugar high. High in the sense of you feel it in your whole buddy and get goosebumps. Nowadays I am more relaxed regarding sugar but I am nowhere close to "bad old times". I went from 2L-3L of high sugar soft drinks like Coke and high amounts of sweets every day to zero for a while and after that started slowly.

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Post by VladimirGolovin »

exolymph wrote: post #56
carsongross wrote: post #54

As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn, The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_copybook.htm

Scott Alexander's lengthy and masterful followup to / extension of Kipling's poem: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

Can't comment on the followup / extension idea, but Scott Alexander's Meditations on Moloch is an amazing, possibly life-changing piece of writing. It's long, so you'll probably need at least an hour of time in a single uninterrupted chunk - but in the end, it's absolutely worth it.

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by coldtea »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #5
coldtea wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, basically, nothing to worry, technology will save us in the end. And it might -- long term. Only, as things are now, between an antibiotic stopping working and finding a replacement, there could be tens of millions of deaths... Aside from wishful thinking there's nothing that guarantees that we'll find the next cure as soon as an old one becomes obsolete.

Everything is a probability right? I generally don't spend my days worrying about how I'm going to survive the next asteroid strike on the planet (guaranteed to to be an issue at some point). I also get in my car and drive on the highway between here and there even though I know there are people driving under the influence that can kill me if they hit my car at speed. There are people who are getting shot by other pe…

>Everything is a probability right?

Perhaps, but not everything gives the same odds and stakes.

>I generally don't spend my days worrying about how I'm going to survive the next asteroid strike on the planet

If there were legitimate news of an asteroid en route to earth, you probably would.

And there are legitimate studies of antibiotics crapping out.

And even if you don't "spend your days worrying" about the latter (which I didn't suggest everybody should), doctors, biology researchers, drug companies etc, better DO worry.

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Post by coldtea »

hueving wrote: post #89
ArkyBeagle wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our very existence is as improbable as an asteroid, some 70,000 years ago.

Something improbable happening doesn't mean something else improbable will. I'm not sure what your point is.

His point is our existence is not some assured thing, it's a fragile semi-random event...

And as I read it, he means that for our continued existence.

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Post by fdgdasfadsf »

milesf wrote: post #32
DINKDINK wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bit impracticle given real world data shows that "About 60 percent of men and 40 percent of women will have an affair at some point in some marriage "Monogamy Myth", Therapist Peggy Vaugn" aka ~50% of couples who think they are monogamous are actually non monogamous (non consensually)

Well, it works well for me. 16 years married, and I have never cheated. In fact most of my friends and colleagues have been married a long time, including my friend Irving. He and his wife have been married for 70 years (they're both 92). The percentages are meaningless when we're talking personal choice. It is a valid way of avoiding STD's, and a choice I made back in 1990 when I was 20.

Are you 100% positive your partner has never cheated?

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by ricksplat »

tanto wrote: post #114
ricksplat wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can say that this corresponds to my experience. I underwent a rigorous transformation from obese teenager one summer, which included a fairly strict diet. I used to have bad acne but since then have been barely troubled by it. I have a number of friends who have acne trouble who say they have tried "everything" but I wonder have they tried anything like this for such a protracted period ...

It is really hard to stop eating sugar so drastically but it helped me a lot. After that eating even a small piece of chocolate was giving me a sugar high. High in the sense of you feel it in your whole buddy and get goosebumps. Nowadays I am more relaxed regarding sugar but I am nowhere close to "bad old times". I went from 2L-3L of high sugar soft drinks like Coke and high amounts of sweets every day to zero for a…

I remember going back to college after my "summer of dieting" (proper balanced, calorie restrictive, but not the crazy kind) and having my first chocolate bar. Sent me to the moon and back.

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Post by saiya-jin »

zackmorris wrote: post #60

Keep in mind that media outlets are unlikely to point out the fact that antibiotic resistance is mainly caused by antibiotic overuse on farms for livestock (due to the conflict of interest when so many ad dollars come from food). Yes, humans failing to finish their run for the time prescribed for them, and use of antibiotics for viral infections have been a problem too. But those are completely dwarfed by farm use. F…

go into any 3rd world country, ie whole south east asia/india, africa, south america etc. and you will find strong antibiotics sold freely over the counter for next to nothing, no prescriptions, people taking them at their will, without proper knowledge.

so no it's far from only farming, billions of people are doing antibiotics in very wrong way

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