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Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Always amazes me that LSD is illegal while alcohol is legal, the latter causing all host of metal and physical ailments, the former causing mostly hilarious navel-gazing

It always amazes me how many people on HN trivialise extremely dangerous drugs saying that alcohol is more dangerous. I'd rather stay in a room with someone that drinks a glass of wine a day than with someone that assumes LSD every day.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear I was not a Bernie supporter either(since you mention lobbying the electoral system), I just used the MJ example because it was easy and at hand. I do not support Trump either. By voting for someone I support, I am not voting anyone else into office, that is up to their supporters.

That makes sense emotionally, but in reality in FPTP you just enabled the even worse other party. If you want your voice fairly represented, you'll need other voting mechanisms and non-partisan districting mechanisms. Your wish is legitimate, but unfortunately the current system limits your useful actions.

So vote for the candidate in this election that intends to do away with FPTP.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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I don't see any mention of clemency on that page. Perhaps there was a mod-edit to point to a "better" source, which doesn't actually cover the clemency?

I think the purest source is this: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/president-obama-grants-commut... but that lists a lot more clemencies

I wonder how they decide on the commuted sentence. Timothy Tyler's sentence has been commuted, but he still has to spend another two years in prison.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Those infamous 'carrier weight' LSD laws where the weight of what the single drop of LSD is on counts as part of the drug in calculating the sentencing. And it's not even the dumbest 'war on drugs' law in our arsenal of dumb 'war on drugs' laws.

The carrier weight is significant because its proportional to the amount of substance, the paper is the distribution vector. Someone caught with a sheet of LSD is carrying significantly more than a single tab of LSD. The latter defying "personal consumption. And personal consumption vs intent to distribute is significantly different.

While I don't believe that non-violent drug offenders should be locked up for life, this individual failed to appreciate the gravity of being arrested for the serious offense of distribution on two prior occasions! To add to the stupidity , the Seth Faranti case was a huge cause célèbre in 1993 and he was put away for life. It was well known at the time that the Feds were taking a serious view of LSD distribution and were targeting Deadshows. Yet he continued his disregard for consequences well into 1994.

LSD is not physically addictive so this is not like someone who became physically addicted and was arrested as a recidivist offender as a result. This was someone who was financing a lifestyle by selling acid. There were plenty of other Deadheads that financed their road trips without selling drugs. It was a choice he made on at least three different occasions.

While I believe the war drugs is indeed dumb, getting arrested for the same serious crime three times is even dumber.

There is a difference between making a mistake in ones youth and throwing your life away.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Always amazes me that LSD is illegal while alcohol is legal, the latter causing all host of metal and physical ailments, the former causing mostly hilarious navel-gazing

It always amazes me how many people on HN trivialise extremely dangerous drugs saying that alcohol is more dangerous. I'd rather stay in a room with someone that drinks a glass of wine a day than with someone that assumes LSD every day.

Some objective research is useful here. Lancet did an evaluation across multiple spectrums, harm to self, harm to environment, harm to society, harm to others, crime, etc...

(https://www.researchgate.net/publication/47635105_Nutt_DJ_Ki...) - in particular, check out the graph down the page.

Alcohol is unquestionably the more destructive of substances, LSD ranks far lower in this scale. Importantly, Alcohol results in a lot of harm to other people (violence, drunk driving, etc...).

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Those infamous 'carrier weight' LSD laws where the weight of what the single drop of LSD is on counts as part of the drug in calculating the sentencing. And it's not even the dumbest 'war on drugs' law in our arsenal of dumb 'war on drugs' laws.

The carrier weight is significant because its proportional to the amount of substance, the paper is the distribution vector. Someone caught with a sheet of LSD is carrying significantly more than a single tab of LSD. The latter defying "personal consumption. And personal consumption vs intent to distribute is significantly different. While I don't believe that non-violent drug offenders should be locked up for life,…

Carrier weight is really dumb because someone carrying a 1g crystal has up to 10,000 doses on their person, 1g of paper, not so much.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Always amazes me that LSD is illegal while alcohol is legal, the latter causing all host of metal and physical ailments, the former causing mostly hilarious navel-gazing

I'm intrigued by this line of argument - have always assumed it's mainly because alcohol can be enjoyed on its own merits, whereas most drugs are taken solely for the impact on the mind (e.g. wine for taste etc...).

If it wasn't for the effect, nobody would bother acquiring the taste for beer or wine...

Alcohol is, for the vast majority of the time, taken solely for the impact on the mind.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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I will never, ever vote for anyone who supported the drug war. Yes, that includes you, Hillary.

So that one issue wipes out all others? Do you really have no preference as to whether Trump or Hillary wins?

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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It's crazy to spend that much time in jail for a nonviolent offense, and such a small amount of substance in the US. The war on drugs is a big waste of many things. But to put it in perspective, I am currently living in SE Asia where you are informed by airline announcements and signs that drug trafficking is punishable by death in several of the countries here! I'm from Brooklyn, but I live in Indonesia now. I'm cur…

It wasn't an 'offense' it was plural 'offenses' as in three. And we aren't talking about personal possession we are talking about intent to distribute. The distinction between these are night and day.
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