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Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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The downside of this, sadly, is that he appears to have mental health issues. Unless he has some outside support, which may be difficult with his dad being dead and having been incarcerated since something like 1994, he would be rather likely to end up on the street, alone :( Here's hoping there are people on the outside to help him out.

I would bet that a jam band or ten would be more than happy to put on a concert/festival on his behalf.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I checked Clinton promised to move marijuana to schedule II, not do anything like pledge to end the completely pointless war on drugs. Do you have millions in donations to a campaign or millions of followers to vote for your cause? Then I wouldn't hold your breath "pushing for change" within a campaign on either side of the aisle because your opinion simply doesn't matter to them.

well then lobby to get your electoral system fixed instead of copping out. not voting for Hillary Clinton increases the chances of Trump winning, and who even knows what his actual policy on drugs are?

To be clear I was not a Bernie supporter either(since you mention lobbying the electoral system), I just used the MJ example because it was easy and at hand. I do not support Trump either.

By voting for someone I support, I am not voting anyone else into office, that is up to their supporters.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Those infamous 'carrier weight' LSD laws where the weight of what the single drop of LSD is on counts as part of the drug in calculating the sentencing. And it's not even the dumbest 'war on drugs' law in our arsenal of dumb 'war on drugs' laws.

Call me cynical, but I don't think it is dumb. I think it is intentional.

Dumb and intentional aren't mutually exclusive here.

What would be truly cynical is to believe it's pragmatic, and not just dumb.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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I will never, ever vote for anyone who supported the drug war. Yes, that includes you, Hillary.

People's view evolve. It wasn't that long when vast majority of Americans were against gay marriage.

They evolve when it becomes politically convenient.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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The bigger story here, Obama has granted clemency to 111 inmates. It looks like they are mostly drug related. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/president-obama-grants-commut...

Many of our drug laws are way too harsh, so it's a good thing that Obama is injecting a modicum of sanity into things.

In contrast, on Bill Clinton's last day in office, he shamelessly engaged in "cash for pardons". E.g.:

Critics complained that Denise Eisenberg Rich, [Marc Rich's] former wife, had made substantial donations to both the Clinton library and to Mrs. Clinton's senate campaign.

Longtime Clinton supporters and Democratic leaders such as former President Jimmy Carter, James Carville and Terry McAuliffe, were all critical of the Clinton pardon. Carter said the pardons were "disgraceful."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controvers...

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

well then lobby to get your electoral system fixed instead of copping out. not voting for Hillary Clinton increases the chances of Trump winning, and who even knows what his actual policy on drugs are?

To be clear I was not a Bernie supporter either(since you mention lobbying the electoral system), I just used the MJ example because it was easy and at hand. I do not support Trump either. By voting for someone I support, I am not voting anyone else into office, that is up to their supporters.

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Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

well then lobby to get your electoral system fixed instead of copping out. not voting for Hillary Clinton increases the chances of Trump winning, and who even knows what his actual policy on drugs are?

To be clear I was not a Bernie supporter either(since you mention lobbying the electoral system), I just used the MJ example because it was easy and at hand. I do not support Trump either. By voting for someone I support, I am not voting anyone else into office, that is up to their supporters.

That makes sense emotionally, but in reality in FPTP you just enabled the even worse other party. If you want your voice fairly represented, you'll need other voting mechanisms and non-partisan districting mechanisms. Your wish is legitimate, but unfortunately the current system limits your useful actions.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the purest source is this: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/president-obama-grants-commut... but that lists a lot more clemencies

From one of the clemencies > use of a communication facility to facilitate the commission of a felony How exactly is this an additional crime to said felony? How does using a telephone make the crime more heinous? This seems like one of those laws that's designed to be guaranteed to add more charges, similar to such gems as "non-violently resisting arrest".

Non-violently resisting arrest is a real thing and should most certainly be a crime. E.g. you put your hands firmly across your chest and force the police to overpower you and force you into handcuffs. You're not attacking anyone, but you're resisting arrest in a way that threatens the safety of the arresting officers and obstructs the lawful execution of an arrest warrant.

Also, when the charges are all for the same crime, the sentences are almost always concurrent, which means they run at the same time. It doesn't actually increase the length of the prison sentence.

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