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Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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I will never, ever vote for anyone who supported the drug war. Yes, that includes you, Hillary.

This kind of thinking helps nothing. If you are outraged, push to change it. If you seriously think the best way to do that is to not vote for Hillary, I'd love to hear your reasoning.

Last time I checked Clinton promised to move marijuana to schedule II, not do anything like pledge to end the completely pointless war on drugs.

Do you have millions in donations to a campaign or millions of followers to vote for your cause? Then I wouldn't hold your breath "pushing for change" within a campaign on either side of the aisle because your opinion simply doesn't matter to them.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the purest source is this: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/president-obama-grants-commut... but that lists a lot more clemencies

Not exactly relevant but it's somewhat interesting that so many people apparently deserved life sentences but not even a mention of any of them on google.

Huh? I picked one at random...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mancer-l-barrington-iii/mandat...?

another

http://legaliq.com/Case/United_States_V_Quentin_C_Adams

and another

http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/182/...

Those were literally the first 3 I tried.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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I don't see any mention of clemency on that page. Perhaps there was a mod-edit to point to a "better" source, which doesn't actually cover the clemency?

I think the purest source is this: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/president-obama-grants-commut... but that lists a lot more clemencies

From one of the clemencies

> use of a communication facility to facilitate the commission of a felony

How exactly is this an additional crime to said felony? How does using a telephone make the crime more heinous? This seems like one of those laws that's designed to be guaranteed to add more charges, similar to such gems as "non-violently resisting arrest".

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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This is only related in that it's another person incarcerated over LSD, but I've always found this individual and his story pretty fascinating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Leonard_Pickard http://www.freeleonardpickard.org/Skinner-Timeline.html The second link discusses Gordon Todd Skinner, who was the informant that facilitated the arrest of Pickard. I don't know how much of that information is accurate, bu…

VICE did a documentary on Krystle Cole, a friend of Mr. Skinner's prior to his arrest. It includes a tour of the missile silo that Skinner had been using as a lab.

(NSFW - Drugs, Sex, etc.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7qliVpGEk0

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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Those infamous 'carrier weight' LSD laws where the weight of what the single drop of LSD is on counts as part of the drug in calculating the sentencing. And it's not even the dumbest 'war on drugs' law in our arsenal of dumb 'war on drugs' laws.

Call me cynical, but I don't think it is dumb. I think it is intentional.

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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post #23
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This kind of thinking helps nothing. If you are outraged, push to change it. If you seriously think the best way to do that is to not vote for Hillary, I'd love to hear your reasoning.

Last time I checked Clinton promised to move marijuana to schedule II, not do anything like pledge to end the completely pointless war on drugs. Do you have millions in donations to a campaign or millions of followers to vote for your cause? Then I wouldn't hold your breath "pushing for change" within a campaign on either side of the aisle because your opinion simply doesn't matter to them.

well then lobby to get your electoral system fixed instead of copping out. not voting for Hillary Clinton increases the chances of Trump winning, and who even knows what his actual policy on drugs are?

Re: Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This kind of thinking helps nothing. If you are outraged, push to change it. If you seriously think the best way to do that is to not vote for Hillary, I'd love to hear your reasoning.

I am outraged by the drug war, therefore I will not vote for a drug warrior. Not sure what else to say.

I wouldn't worry about it much - there are a lot of us out there who aren't exactly "single-issue voters", but for whom a single issue can make a candidate completely unpalatable.

For me, that's guns. For you, that's drugs. For many others, it's abortion.

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