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Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by Mz »

Fomite wrote: post #69
Mz wrote: post #17

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You are really overcomplicating this. The gut is about 70% of the immune system. Gut health and old fashioned lifestyle approaches that limit the transmission of germs is simple, easy, inexpensive and has been around for millenia. It also smacks of religion and "boring, uptight" lives. So, it is nigh impossible to sell the idea. Perhaps that will get easier as people start dropping like flies from horrifying diseases…

Gonorrhea is not a gut pathogen. Nor for that matter is MRSA.

I did not say they were. Bone marrow is also an important part of the immune system. That does not mean it only comes into play for bone infections.

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by refurb »

Wicher wrote: post #79
flashman wrote: post #77

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I highly doubt, jokey rural stereotypes aside, that antibiotic resistant gonorrhea is being transmitted from livestock to humans.

That's not how it works. Eating the livestock (or drinking the milk) transfers antibiotics to our bodies, and then we become the environment in which bacteria are selected for resistance to antibiotics.

That's not how it works at all. The amount of antibiotics in slaughtered livestock is miniscule. In fact, the FDA requires a "clean out" phase for livestock treated with certain drugs to ensure the levels in the final meat are low enough.

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by omginternets »

milesf wrote: post #32
DINKDINK wrote: post #27

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A bit impracticle given real world data shows that "About 60 percent of men and 40 percent of women will have an affair at some point in some marriage "Monogamy Myth", Therapist Peggy Vaugn" aka ~50% of couples who think they are monogamous are actually non monogamous (non consensually)

Well, it works well for me. 16 years married, and I have never cheated. In fact most of my friends and colleagues have been married a long time, including my friend Irving. He and his wife have been married for 70 years (they're both 92). The percentages are meaningless when we're talking personal choice. It is a valid way of avoiding STD's, and a choice I made back in 1990 when I was 20.

>Well, it works well for me. 16 years married, and I have never cheated.

Well then it's settled. I hope to read your manuscript in Lancet next month. STD epidemics are cured thanks to milesf boundless fidelity!

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by frankus »

flashman wrote: post #77
zackmorris wrote: post #60

Keep in mind that media outlets are unlikely to point out the fact that antibiotic resistance is mainly caused by antibiotic overuse on farms for livestock (due to the conflict of interest when so many ad dollars come from food). Yes, humans failing to finish their run for the time prescribed for them, and use of antibiotics for viral infections have been a problem too. But those are completely dwarfed by farm use. F…

I highly doubt, jokey rural stereotypes aside, that antibiotic resistant gonorrhea is being transmitted from livestock to humans.

Some (maybe all?) bacteria are capable of horizontal gene transfer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer#Proka...)

For example if someone were infected with both antibiotic-resistant gut bacteria (acquired from eating contaminated meat) and gonorrhea, it's possible the latter could acquire antibiotic resistance genes from the former.

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by chris_va »

refurb wrote: post #82
Wicher wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not how it works. Eating the livestock (or drinking the milk) transfers antibiotics to our bodies, and then we become the environment in which bacteria are selected for resistance to antibiotics.

That's not how it works at all. The amount of antibiotics in slaughtered livestock is miniscule. In fact, the FDA requires a "clean out" phase for livestock treated with certain drugs to ensure the levels in the final meat are low enough.

Ok, to clarify:

Antibiotic resistance is generally spread via plasmid-mediated resistance. Overuse of antibiotics in any capacity, regardless of ingestion into humans, causes some bacteria to evolve resistance. Bacteria are promiscuous with their DNA, and resistance by one organism on one context (e.g. livestock) can easily get transmitted to a completely different organism in a completely context (e.g. humans).

Having said all of that, there are many potential antibiotics out there that haven't been fully researched (almost all currently prescribed antibiotics are beta lactam variants, which is only one small class), and this "cannot be treated" stuff is mostly just bad journalism.

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by hueving »

S_Daedalus wrote: post #52
ChuckMcM wrote: post #5

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Everything is a probability right? I generally don't spend my days worrying about how I'm going to survive the next asteroid strike on the planet (guaranteed to to be an issue at some point). I also get in my car and drive on the highway between here and there even though I know there are people driving under the influence that can kill me if they hit my car at speed. There are people who are getting shot by other pe…

Being unaware of a risk, isn't bravery, but there's a word for it.

Not constantly living in fear of something is not the same thing as being unaware.

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by hueving »

ArkyBeagle wrote: post #47
coldtea wrote: post #3

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So, basically, nothing to worry, technology will save us in the end. And it might -- long term. Only, as things are now, between an antibiotic stopping working and finding a replacement, there could be tens of millions of deaths... Aside from wishful thinking there's nothing that guarantees that we'll find the next cure as soon as an old one becomes obsolete.

Our very existence is as improbable as an asteroid, some 70,000 years ago.

Something improbable happening doesn't mean something else improbable will. I'm not sure what your point is.

Re: Gonorrhea Is Becoming Untreatable, U.N. Health Officials Warn

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Post by alanh »

astrodust wrote: post #31
milesf wrote: post #28

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You didn't detect the note of humour in my comment? :)

I'm claiming Poe's Law here. This is such a neckbeard response it's ridiculous. "If nobody ever had sex we'd wipe out STDs within a generation!"

Um, I’m not sure that Poe’s law allows any conclusions. That’s kind of the entire point!
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