California bans ITT tech from accepting new students

Post by ryuker16 » Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 7:43 PM UTC

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The quality of education varies between institutions. I graduated from DeVry a little over 10 years ago. I got a decent education (ABET accredited B.S. Computer Engineering Technology) and was able to put myself through school and get a good job. I could have done it a little cheaper in a state school and a lot cheaper with a community college, but for what it was I don't really have any regrets. My only critique is…

This whole premise of this story has me wearing a tin foil hat. [tldr] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILQepXUhJ98[/tldr] Soooo many questions. so few answers. I'll start with my immediate thoughts. High dropouts are not absolutely a bad thing. In fact its pretty normal in all western schools that have zero focus on "how to learn". The "problem" is clearly earlier on in the education system, wherby students are reach…

Post by ryuker16 » Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 7:57 PM UTC

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Never-ending projects that never deliver, and management that never looks at the code. Also, cheating your way through college - which is basically a requirement for a lot of programs that offer a vertical learning curve, programs spoiled by the fact that many of the people who take a CS program have been hobbyist programmers for years. After the second semester, CS students divide into three groups: 1) stressed out…

Haha, the longer I stay in the software biz, the more I believe paula = "Brillant" to be a true story. The sad thing is, that there are tons of talented programmers out there who actually know what they are doing, getting rejected interview after interview because of "culture fit", while charlatans like paula BS and charm their way into job after job, trashing their projects and moving on to the next one as soon as t…

Post by ensignavenger » Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 7:58 PM UTC

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Not everyone lives in areas served by a bus system... none of the paperwork I have ever seen has spelled out any of this like that... it may depend on the school you are attending. I don't know, I haven't found the law or any official statement by the Dept of Ed. on it.

> Not everyone lives in areas served by a bus system.. Totally not related to the discussion. The rule does not say "If you live in a place served by busses, you cannot buy a car with student loan money"

Post by duncan_bayne » Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 8:02 PM UTC

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So, this seems to me like a problem that is almost perfectly amenable to market solutions. University has poor standards? Don't hire their graduates, or at least, don't weight their qualifications as heavily. I don't understand why you think Government action - that is, force - is necessary here. Or is it that you think they are defrauding their students by calling themselves Universities?

> they are defrauding their students by calling themselves Universities Yes, that is what I think

Post by hajile » Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 8:10 PM UTC

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What about coding bootcamps? Aren't they worse? They try to make you a "coder" in a couple of months and promise people jobs if they finish the course. It sounds eerily the same thing as ITT...

I feel like the people who excel after coding bootcamps would have excelled without them. Self starting, picking things up quickly, and looking for a good deal aren't bad traits to have in general. Lots of people I know that have crossed the "General IT dude threshold" to development via a coding bootcamp.