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Commission says Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13B to Apple

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Re: Commission says Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13B to Apple

#21
From the press release:

> The amount of unpaid taxes to be recovered by the Irish authorities would also be reduced if the US authorities were to require Apple to pay larger amounts of money to their US parent company for this period to finance research and development efforts.

I wonder how much of the 14B could be offset by this? I suppose there's a chance that it all might be.

Re: Commission says Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13B to Apple

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Jeez, an effective tax rate on profits in Ireland of 0.005% is pretty inexcusable.

Why? 0% tax on profits would seem fair and reasonable. (There's lots of stuff that's not taxed. Eg not a lot of people complain about not taxing capital gains of home owner/occupiers.)

And how is 0% tax on profits fair and reasonable exactly?

Re: Commission says Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13B to Apple

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jeez, an effective tax rate on profits in Ireland of 0.005% is pretty inexcusable.

Why? 0% tax on profits would seem fair and reasonable. (There's lots of stuff that's not taxed. Eg not a lot of people complain about not taxing capital gains of home owner/occupiers.)

Because the Pub next door pays a higher effective tax

Re: Commission says Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13B to Apple

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post #17
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jeez, an effective tax rate on profits in Ireland of 0.005% is pretty inexcusable.

Why? 0% tax on profits would seem fair and reasonable. (There's lots of stuff that's not taxed. Eg not a lot of people complain about not taxing capital gains of home owner/occupiers.)

0% tax on profits would be fair for whom? Definitely not the citizen.

Re: Commission says Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13B to Apple

#26
Every country in Europe has some sort of wacky tax exception for multinationals. Every state is locked in this race to the bottom with its neighbouring countries.

It's great that there is a supra-national authority forcing the states to cooperate on getting multinationals to pay reasonable taxes, because it wouldn't happen otherwise.

Re: Commission says Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13B to Apple

#27

Can someone clarify where this money will eventually end up (assuming it's paid)? The article says that it will be paid back to Ireland, yet it looks like Ireland was somewhat complicit in allowing this fraud to continue for so long? ' Is this just how it works, money goes to Ireland, and then recovered by Europe?

The money paid will go to Ireland. Ireland allowed Apple to structure its tax affairs in a way that reduced their tax bill which is a great incentive to maintain a presence there.

The EU has now determined this was an illegal tax benefit provided by Ireland, so Ireland must now collect the tax as if it had done so at the time. There is no penalty but interest must be paid.

This is not your normal run of the mill tax avoidance case (or a fraud as you've mentioned) although it appears to look the same. This was Apple benefiting from decisions taken by Ireland that Ireland should not have made.

Re: Commission says Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13B to Apple

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jeez, an effective tax rate on profits in Ireland of 0.005% is pretty inexcusable.

Why? 0% tax on profits would seem fair and reasonable. (There's lots of stuff that's not taxed. Eg not a lot of people complain about not taxing capital gains of home owner/occupiers.)

Because other companies pay about 20%.

If you want to completely reform our taxation system, sure, whatever. But that doesn't impact Apple's liability under the current one.

Re: Commission says Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13B to Apple

#29

All of that will go back to Ireland's national debt repayments under EU rules from what I understand, which includes large repayments due to the EU for the recent loans provided to Ireland for propping up banks, so really EU is collecting this money by proxy of Ireland. Interesting play.

I thought Ireland had exited the EFSF http://www.efsf.europa.eu/about/operations/ireland/index.htm so the Irish national debt is now just generic open-market bonds rather than particular debts?

Re: Commission says Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13B to Apple

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Good. Read how Tim Cook publicly considers Nobel economist Joeseph Stiglitz as a one who do not know what he (Stiglitz) is talking about. Eye opening. Excerpts from: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/wp/2016/08/13/2016... Q: What do you say in response to Nobel economist Joseph Stiglitz’s comments on Bloomberg [television], where he called Apple’s profit reporting in Ireland a “fraud”? Tim Cooks answer: I did…

This is NOT a fraud and any characterisation of it being so is ridiculous and wrong.

Apple followed the law. End of story. The issue is that the EU found that the law was illegal under state aid rules.

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