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How I Built a Custom Camper Van (2015)

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Re: How I Built a Custom Camper Van (2015)

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I've been curious about living out of a camper or RV in the Bay Area just to arbitrage the higher salaries that are needed to offset the cost of housing. I've heard of some Google employees doing this for a couple years to save up enough to buy a house. The hard part is finding a place to park the camper. Anyone have any experience or knowledge about doing this in the Bay Area?

I would imagine that you could park your camper / RV in the company parking lot day or night. Most residential neighborhoods ban camper / RV parking so you'll have to look for where it is legal road side. In the south bay, there is a long stretch of El Camino Real in Palo Alto that borders the Stanford playground - lots of campers there, parked nose to tail. Another stretch is on Ferguson Drive in Mountain View. Walmart offers free overnight parking. On weekends, take advantage of the beautiful weather and drive your camper / RV to nearby beaches or mountains.

Google employee lives in a truck in the company's parking lot https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10422976

Google Employees Secretly Live on Campus to Avoid Paying Rent https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8289577

Re: How I Built a Custom Camper Van (2015)

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I've spent 11 of the past 20 years "homeless" by choice following various practices from living on a boat, to living in a truck camper, to traveling the world living in AirBnBs, to occasionally renting apartments but never really living there. But I'll come back to that.

I want to address several peoples concerns about this guys lifestyle and the presumed limitations:

0. First off Loved that he was using Soylent. That solves a big problem of needing dried food but not liking freeze dried food. If I were to go back to vehicle living I would use a combo of Soylent and Sous Vide. Sous Vide cookers like the Anova are very small, and you can do it just with boiled water, zip lock bags and a thermometer if you want. The results are really fantasic. 30 seconds searing steaks on the grill then 40 minutes in the bath and you have better steaks than you can get at any restaurant for less than $50-- and you can do that on top of am mountain if you wanted! So the food situation is much better than the days of crates of raman.

1. Sex. Sex is totally possible, and it's not creepy at all. When you get on the road and you're traveling you will run into people who are going the same route multiple times. In this way there's a virtual community. This varies regionally of course, travel by train in europe or in alaska for the summer and it becomes pretty tight nit. The women and men you meet there are not exactly going to turn their nose up at your van because that's how they are traveling to. There's a whole vagabond subculture in the USA that ranges from kids hoping trains to techies in vans like this guy to Oldsters in RVs. And there's nothing sexier than a guy who will break with convention and go do interesting things. FTR, my partner and I picked up a woman in the UK who then travelled with us and lived with us for a couple years in poly triad. IT only lasted three years but I don't think the definition of a successful relationship should only be ones that end in death!

2. Cost- you really can save a lot of money. IT's amazing that you can live around the world traveling full time for less than the cost of living in a major west coast city. If you're doing a startup, that's really nice- be in berlin, then go to london, etc. We ran a three person startup (the triad above) going form england to Romania to Chile. While we didn't live as cheaply as we should have or could have (it's a skill) we didn't live more expensively than we would have if we stayed in Seattle (and we never would have met the woman in the UK). When it costs less or doesn't cost more but you have a better experience, isn't that a much better value?

3. The major factor is movement. When you're still- say at a campground or an AirBnB, or anchored at a dock, you save your movement energy, and thus cost, and you spend time working and enjoying. When you're underway- sailing requires attention as does driving, taking trains and planes costs money, boats and cars take gas. The ideal situation is one where you can stay places for a period of time (we used to stay in a country 90 days- the visa limit) to maximize your productivity on the road. This is a lifestyle, not a vacation from life. You earn money when you go, but you earn less money on tavel days.

4. Settling in- another part of the cost of travel is the settling in time. I need to have a good work chair and in each country we would spend the first week or so getting our spot set up to be productive on our startup.

5. The best thing about traveling is meeting the locals- especially outside the USA. This is the reason for the 90 day visa too. You can build real relationships. 4 countries in a year is much better than 9 countries in 4 days! And it's cheaper per-day, because you can be working during the day, and thus it's sustainable.

6. There are many ways to do it. I like the boat the best- it was only 30 feet but it was center cockpit and huge. If I had the balls of a blue water sailor I never would have left and would be traveling around the world in it. But it takes a rare breed to cross an ocean in a 30 foot cruiser!

This van is very much like my experience in the Truck Camper. The truck camper cost me $5,500 all in- an old Toyota Pickup and a $3,500 SKAMPER. You have to crank it to raise the roof. I travelled all the way to Prudhoe Bay in that truck- spending a couple weeks north of the arctic circle.

You can never forget an experience like that!

7. Eventually I vowed to never stop. I decided this was a philosophy and whatever methodology it doesn't really matter. Am I still traveling full time? I'm on a lease, so many of you would say no, but I think I am. You could be too.

What's the difference in lifestyle between crashing in a French student's flat in Romania for 3 months and being on a lease in the USA for 6? In romania 90 days is the max visa and maximizing productive time was ideal. a 6 month lease in the USA isn't that different from the 6 months we lived in the UK (they have a longer visa for US residents).

I now think in terms of the GPWR - Gross Personal Weight Rating. That is the total weight of me and all my possessions. When I was on the boat it was around 13,000 pounds - most of it boat. For the truck it was about 7,000 pounds, most of it truck.

When we were backpacking it was all in the pack- about 60 pounds. Now I am staying in apartments but restrict myself to only what can fit in my car (so I can move across country at a moments notice if I want.) I don't live in the car so it's a tradeoff, I have to rent a sleeping space.

But I'm still mobile. I don't have a bed frame, for instance, I bought a bunch of Akro Mils plastic crates. Turn them upside down and they make a really damn solid bed frame (best one I've ever had, actually) The mattress fits in the back of my car with the seats folded down. I have a mid sized SUV and camping is easy- just put the mattress in the car. Better than a tent (stays warmer). But when I need to move, I can turn the crates right side up and all my possessions go into them.

So, where should I live next? Once my lease is up, I'm going. (and knowing that also puts the kibosh on silly buying.)

Start thinking of every possession as weight added to your GPWR. Do you want to live in backpack? Pare down. Do you want to live in a van? You don't have to be as careful but you should think about how many TVs you buy.

Re: How I Built a Custom Camper Van (2015)

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I've spent 6 of the past 7 years living in an RV (motorhome first, now an old Avion travel trailer with a big old truck to tow it). I recommend it for anyone who is unencumbered enough of other people and responsibilities to do so (i.e., it may not be the right thing for a family with kids, though I know some families with kids who do it and seem happy).

The freedom to travel is magnificent. It precludes many kinds of opportunities, but if you can work remotely, why not do it at the beach or in the mountains or in the desert or wherever you like? It's not dramatically less expensive than living in fixed housing (though that depends on where you were living in the house and where you're parking your RV; when I first started I moved out of a tiny rental house in Mountain View, CA, which cost $2145/month, so I'm not spending anywhere near that now), or at least it hasn't been for me, but there are many benefits outside of cost.

Re: How I Built a Custom Camper Van (2015)

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As cool as this, like a lot of folks here I don't see how a pickup and a gooseneck wouldn't be a better (probably cheaper) option, even if you had to renovate / shop around for the gooseneck. I know a whole lot of folks who live this way, mostly itinerant musicians. While this is a much nicer build-- I think it's quite beautiful-- it is a lot closer to a custom conversion van most folks I know have much different, le…

I am a big fan of the pop-up campers that go in the bed of the truck. I loved mine. I took three months off and traveled around the west coast in it. Had some great adventures. But calculating it all out, a Miata and motel would have been a lot cheaper. My Diesel F250 with the camper got about 8 miles to the gallon. 300 miles a day was over $100.

This is all about the ratio of travel days to productive or fun days I talk about a bit in my longer comment below. And sure, do the math- if you would be happier in a hotel anyway- and a lot of people would be- then it makes sense to get hotel rooms.

But if you're parking the truck on BLM land for a week at a time, then that's happier and cheaper.

Hell, you could go with a Miata and a camping tent, and just control the ratio of BLM land time vs hotel time.

I think one viable strategy is 5off 2on. EG: Stay in a Hotel on Tuesdays and Wednesdays (lower cost than weekends) and then camp on BLM land (or other cheap places) the other 5 days.

State parks are 12-$25, while Motel 6 is $40-$60.

Re: How I Built a Custom Camper Van (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did this with all of my various t-shirts. Hang them on the pole backwards. When I put away laundry, hang them on the pole forwards.

Did you notice any patterns about what you wear / don't wear from doing this? I do a similar approach, except it's insert freshly washed shirts into middle of closets, so anything that hits an outer edge I don't wear much, and is the best candidate for pruning.

I've found there's shirts I like owning but not wearing. No rhyme or reason, they're not damaged or stained. I just don't like wearing them.

Re: How I Built a Custom Camper Van (2015)

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Or you could just move to Poland. $33,750 could buy you studio in any medium town in Poland, even in sub-million population cities. You'd get: no mortgage, apartment with a toilet, clean running water, wifi and all the electricity that you'll ever need. 5-10 times more area for your stuff. Monthly cost of utilities, tax and fee towards building maintenance of about $150 in total, access to a lot of young, English spe…

I travelled around the world for 6 years and the number one impediment to staying in any country was the visa situation. If you are staying there longer than a tourist visa, and especially if you want any kind of employment (or are in a situation where you are visibly employed) the red tape in the vast majority of countries is very tough.

The only exceptions I know about are Chile (which gives one year visas that are relatively easy to renew) and Panama (which will give you residency if you start a business there, it can be a small one.)

Re: How I Built a Custom Camper Van (2015)

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post #91

I've been curious about living out of a camper or RV in the Bay Area just to arbitrage the higher salaries that are needed to offset the cost of housing. I've heard of some Google employees doing this for a couple years to save up enough to buy a house. The hard part is finding a place to park the camper. Anyone have any experience or knowledge about doing this in the Bay Area?

Without stealth (normal looking van) and a full time job you are looking at a ton of stress trying to do it without living at an RV park.

I know a couple that commuted from Half Moon Bay. Another couple also lives just south in a tight tight RV park.

Re: How I Built a Custom Camper Van (2015)

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post #6

I did something similar. I wanted a vehicle I could explore the world with, so I turned my Jeep into a house on wheels with fridge, drinking water and filtration, solar and dual batteries, interior cabinets and a custom modified pop-up roof so I can stand up and walk around in the Jeep. I joked about applying for a home owners grant :) The full pictures and story are in this album - http://imgur.com/a/OLK3o I'm drivi…

Yeah, true story: I make 250K per year and live in a minivan. Wellll, ok, I actually have a mortgage and a house but that's somewhere else :)

Pro tip: xfinity is your friend.

The reality is that everyone can do this. And why not? The big problem with this model, though, is lack of property taxes. And parking spots.

I would happily pay for X per month for a nice parking spot though and my fair share of property taxes. Ok, maybe not happily, I have to admit I do enjoy free.

What will be really interesting for this model is when we get self driving cars.

Re: How I Built a Custom Camper Van (2015)

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's minimalism taken to an extreme, which is just as thoughtless as hoarding. A screwdriver costs less than $5 and takes a minimal amount of space to store. Yes, the slippery slope is when you have a thousand tools falling out of your closet, but again, thought and moderation. The "if I haven't used it in the past year" rule is a great idea overall, but it's not appropriate for this example. Now if we're talking a…

This calculus changes if you assign a cost to storing possessions. If there's no cost, great. Keep everything. If there is a cost, that once-a-year item might not make the cut.

Yup, I think we're all in agreement that there's a cost to storing possessions. The issue folks were debating is that the once-per-x rule isn't appropriate for certain items because:

- the item takes up a negligible amount of space (fractions of pennies), and its usefulness is huge when you need it. Also, factor in the value of immediate access (e.g. fire extinguisher).

- some things you don't use, but are required to have (birth certificates)

Again, my main point was thoughtfulness with ownership. And it doesn't always require breaking out an Excel spreadsheet and amortizing costs and calculating expected values.

Re: How I Built a Custom Camper Van (2015)

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I would love to do this. Last year after getting made redundant from Cisco I was looking for work but there was nothing for 4 months as a Devops guy near where I live but there was plenty in London. I was actually considering either getting a van to sleep in, or a narrowboat, and working in London with London rates, then coming home at the weekend. I'd love to know a cheap way of converting something liveable, bearin…

Canal boats in London are not much cheaper than apartments. Nor is anything else. I used to work Monday-Friday in London and head home (Manchester) for the weekend for about six months. During the week I'd stay in the cheapest hotels I could find (£50/night average). It was horrible, and after six months I ended up doing super cheap Air BNB just so I could cook some food once in a while. Still not great. Eventually w…

A friend bought a narrow boat and lives around hackney and some rivers north of the city.

Was definitely cheaper than an apartment

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