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Millennial men with different incomes

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Re: Millennial men with different incomes

#11

3 'more or less' typical millenials? 3 CEOs and one poor guy? Really?

The WSJ had a similarly out of touch cross-section a while back http://www.wsj.com/news/interactive/WEALTH0105

Ah, the HENRYs.

I remember laughing my head off at this crew working at a bank in the middle of the financial crisis, waiting for the world to end.

http://www.felixsalmon.com/2008/10/unsympathetic-demographic...

Re: Millennial men with different incomes

#12
post #5

The comments about taxes are really interesting. There is a perception in the U.S. that the wealthy don't pay enough taxes, but in reality the top 10% carries a much a larger share of the tax burden (relative to their share of income) than in countries like the U.K., France, Germany, and Sweden: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/04/05/ameri... . So the question is: where does this perception come from?…

A lot of the top 10% is caused by wealth disparity between states. Being in California or New York you can be the top 10% of wealth for the U.S., but just be doing "OK" (and not anywhere close to the top 10% of California or New York earners). So that said there needs to be clear distinction between the top 10% and the top 1%.

Re: Millennial men with different incomes

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post #5

The comments about taxes are really interesting. There is a perception in the U.S. that the wealthy don't pay enough taxes, but in reality the top 10% carries a much a larger share of the tax burden (relative to their share of income) than in countries like the U.K., France, Germany, and Sweden: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/04/05/ameri... . So the question is: where does this perception come from?…

This comes up a lot in a discussion about taxes, and there's a big logical problem with it. We have a much higher wealth gap than those countries. So tax burden as a percentage isn't a useful metric. If we had a healthier lower and middle class, they would be paying more in taxes, which would ease the burden on the wealthiest considerably. But our middle class is shrinking, and the rich are becoming extraordinarily r…

> We have a much higher wealth gap than those countries. So tax burden as a percentage isn't a useful metric.

Which is why I compared tax burden as a percentage of total taxes to income as a percentage of total income. In Sweden, the top 10% make roughly a quarter of the income and pay roughly a quarter of the taxes. In the U.S., they make about a third of the income, but pay almost half the taxes.

Re: Millennial men with different incomes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, this just takes it to a whole new level

Why does the single parent with $260k a year income look so sad? In fact, why does everyone in this look like they're in a Ken Loach film about a miner's strike?

Because of those cuh ray zee tax increases, of course! /s

Not sure seriously. I'm with you, these people all look so sad. I'm not sure if it's a work life balance thing or if I'm just crazy thinking that, if I could insanely increase my income, I'd be happier...

Re: Millennial men with different incomes

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post #5

The comments about taxes are really interesting. There is a perception in the U.S. that the wealthy don't pay enough taxes, but in reality the top 10% carries a much a larger share of the tax burden (relative to their share of income) than in countries like the U.K., France, Germany, and Sweden: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/04/05/ameri... . So the question is: where does this perception come from?…

My understanding is that most (informed) people who complain about the rich not paying taxes in the U.S. are talking about capital gain taxes, inheritance/state taxes and other forms of money-from-money types of wealth. They might also be thinking of accounting tricks and deductions that severely reduce the actual tax paid for most people wealthy enough to hire the legal and accounting help required to get the most of tax laws and loopholes. Income/pay taxes in and of themselves are fairly progressive.

Re: Millennial men with different incomes

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post #5

The comments about taxes are really interesting. There is a perception in the U.S. that the wealthy don't pay enough taxes, but in reality the top 10% carries a much a larger share of the tax burden (relative to their share of income) than in countries like the U.K., France, Germany, and Sweden: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/04/05/ameri... . So the question is: where does this perception come from?…

Top 10% is a little inclusive for "wealthy". That's $118K household income. I wouldn't really put two people making $59K in the "wealthy" range.

Re: Millennial men with different incomes

#17

> We have more opportunity, but the price of living is unbearable. The cost of basic groceries & clothing is down dramatically over the last 50 years. The price of housing could be too, but we've decided that it's more important to keep prices rising and supplies limited.

Cost of healthcare has skyrocketed. As has housing, as you've mentioned. Those are much bigger expenses than groceries and clothing, so those lowered costs are not offsetting the biggest jumps.

Re: Millennial men with different incomes

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comes up a lot in a discussion about taxes, and there's a big logical problem with it. We have a much higher wealth gap than those countries. So tax burden as a percentage isn't a useful metric. If we had a healthier lower and middle class, they would be paying more in taxes, which would ease the burden on the wealthiest considerably. But our middle class is shrinking, and the rich are becoming extraordinarily r…

> We have a much higher wealth gap than those countries. So tax burden as a percentage isn't a useful metric. Which is why I compared tax burden as a percentage of total taxes to income as a percentage of total income. In Sweden, the top 10% make roughly a quarter of the income and pay roughly a quarter of the taxes. In the U.S., they make about a third of the income, but pay almost half the taxes.

As pointed out above, though, top 10% is not a very useful metric.

Re: Millennial men with different incomes

#19
Does the $1.5M earner not add up to anyone else? His expenses are $6K a month ($72k a year, but call it $100k). His after tax income, call $800k. That leaves $700k unaccounted for - and he's talking about saving $15k for his kids college, or not being able to retire for 15 more years? I don't get it.

Re: Millennial men with different incomes

#20
post #5

The comments about taxes are really interesting. There is a perception in the U.S. that the wealthy don't pay enough taxes, but in reality the top 10% carries a much a larger share of the tax burden (relative to their share of income) than in countries like the U.K., France, Germany, and Sweden: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/04/05/ameri... . So the question is: where does this perception come from?…

Interesting that the $1.5 million-a-year CEO is okay with the taxes. Maybe it's because he's British.
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