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This is not a huge flag. When a company starts up, it's difficult for them to get the money operating as per regular. He got paid - that's what matters. The paystub is a minor thing/

Startup or not, you don't offload the risks of making payroll onto your employees.

"Startup or not, you don't offload the risks of making payroll onto your employees."

What are you talking about?

Invoicing your startup for a payment is perfectly normal, and has nothing to do with 'offloading the risks of making payroll'.

Again - getting paid without a pay stub is utterly irrelevant to a new startup.

What matters is getting paid and hopefully it's done in an above the board manner, but the transfer of money is the primary indicator of risk - not the pay stub.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with not using payroll services for the first little while while a startup gets going, and it has nothing to do with the ability of an entity to pay you.

If you are getting paid consistently - through invoicing or whatever means, this is a good signal.

By the way - although the story is pretty scary (and hilarious) - the author is also a little bit naive. Everyone involved seems to be a little inexperienced.

The contract you sign is only as valid as the parties backing it up! Just because someone gives you a 'piece of paper' that may be legally binding, does not mean it has any integrity. The author should have done a basic bit of homework or point blank asked some very basic questions about funding status. He joined a company 'assuming' there was a round of funding, but that turned out to not be true. From my reading of the article, it doesn't seem as though the founder lied, but rather mislead the author. A few simple questions such as: "who has backed you, for how much" - or even a check on Crunchbase would have sufficed.

Again - a contract is only has the amount of real integrity as the people signing it. Your ability to enforce it is not just a matter of law - it's a matter of the reality of the entities ability to do so.

Anyhow, I'm glad it was written up so that people can learn form it.

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

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When a company has just started, they may have not set this up. You can invoice the company. It's not a big deal. Again - of all flags - lack of pay stubs is the least of them if it's just a garage startup with 3-ish people. The actual exchange of money is 100x a stronger indicator of health than the presence of a stub.

> You can invoice the company. It's not a big deal. Nonononono. You're hired as an employee. There is a legal and ethical agreement for them to pay you at the intervals agreed upon in your contract. There are no ifs or buts about it, no invoicing them, no excuses for 'just started'. Payroll is NOT hard.

"Nonononono. You're hired as an employee. There is a legal and ethical agreement for them to pay you at the intervals agreed upon in your contract. There are no ifs or buts about it, no invoicing them, no excuses for 'just started'. Payroll is NOT hard."

No - you are completely wrong.

There is absolutely nothing wrong - or even remotely immoral - about paying using invoicing while a company gets going. It's common and normal.

And payroll is not easy - it's a huge mess - and it can be very complicated.

If a founder, with funding, told me: "Invoice us for the first two months until October when we are up with payroll" I would have no problem with that so long as I was getting paid.

Again - of all things, it's not the issue.

The non-payment, the lies about funding, the loans from staff, and all the rest were bad signals.

What's odd is how nobody seemed to have anything to say about the product itself ...

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

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Just look at the blog too. I'm not sure who thought that a blog post entitled "10 WAYS TO SURVIVE AT WORK WITHOUT SLEEP" would be a hit with job seekers. (Not to mention that 100% of their blog content -- 7 posts -- was posted 3 days ago)

10 WAYS TO SURVIVE AT WORK WITHOUT SLEEP: www.wrkriot.com/blog/2016/8/26/10-ways-to-survive-at-work-without-sleep Guess employees are the target audience for this post.

Guess this company needs to work on robots.

Replace employees with robots and write a blog post: HOW WE WORK 24x7

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

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post #56

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> It's pretty much a rite of passage here... most people have or will That's pretty silly. Plenty of people working in startups never put themselves through that kind of BS. There are at last two obvious strategies for avoiding the whole problem: (1) be a founder, (2) work in a more established tech company until you have the experience, personal network, and finances to intelligent pick a startup to work for.

Can confirm, did 1) and ended up with a deluded CEO cofounder, now in 2) and feeling much better.

Been down that route. Overall, my CEO co-founder was a very honest person; so I've continued our friendship. About 6 months after the business fell apart, he helped me meet my wife and was on the alter when we married.

When we last talked, he indicated that he was going back to what he did before starting companies. I hope it works well for him, because if he can keep within the (not CEO) role that plays to his strengths; I'd happily work with him again.

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

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Has there ever been an instance of late payroll (as opposed to eg sales commission checks being calculated wrong) where the company actually pulled out of the nosedive? It seems like it's almost always the death knell.

Absolutely yes, though it depends on the transparency of the rest of the team really. I have been involved with three companies in my career which pulled out of this seeming nosedive. One of the companies was going through a really horrible time. They had just got done releasing software that was horribly behind schedule which relieved their customers, but it was still stressful. They were working on settling two law…

That's an incredible set of stories. What strikes me is the ability and confidence to take the CEO aside and say no, that's not happening. That sounds pretty nerve racking.

The things that stick out to me here are how excellent teams took the mantle and provided radical turn arounds from a trajectory pointing to failure.

Honestly made my day.

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

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https://www.linkedin.com/company/jobsonic ?

Yep. Looks like it's now called "1for.one". Their CEO has a stock photo on LinkedIn and owned a mining corp.

Amusingly the `whois` records for wrkroit.com mention 1FOR.ONE CORPORATION as the registrant organization. Here is a snippet of the records:

  Domain Name: WRKRIOT.COM
  Creation Date: 25-aug-2016
  Registrant Name: ISAAC CHOI
  Registrant Organization: 1FOR.ONE CORPORATION
  Registrant Street: 2005 DE LA CRUZ BLVD
  Registrant Street: SUITE 131
  Registrant City: SANTA CLARA
  Registrant State/Province: CA
  Registrant Postal Code: 95050
  Registrant Country: US
  Registrant Phone: +1.4083447484
  Registrant Email: MYSUBS@HALLFORONE.COM

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

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post #201

"About a month in, our interim leader returned to Korea, and a woman was brought in who had worked at several video game companies. She used to know our CEO’s in college. She was kind, thoughtful, and attentive. I knew the company would eat her alive. After our boss departed, I took over a few of his duties. One of them was “viral marketer.” I was now creating ad campaigns on Facebook in an attempt to bring monthly a…

Looks like she's still at it: https://instagram.com/p/BJi8IpgDaPg/

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

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here you go.

choiwisely 8 hours ago [-]

> Employees and investors absolutely need the right to know about the people doing this "Michael" the CEO: https://www.linkedin.com/in/isaacchae1981

"Charlie" the CTO: https://www.linkedin.com/in/albrown

"Jessica" the CMO: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tess-stevens-28bb9138

Company: http://www.wrkriot.com/ + https://www.linkedin.com/company/7587861

Re: Scammed By A Silicon Valley Startup

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Pay people in regular ways through regular channels. Seriously, though, ADP delivers paystubs. If they were using ADP, they would have gotten paystubs.

When a company has just started, they may have not set this up. You can invoice the company. It's not a big deal. Again - of all flags - lack of pay stubs is the least of them if it's just a garage startup with 3-ish people. The actual exchange of money is 100x a stronger indicator of health than the presence of a stub.

"The actual exchange of money is 100x a stronger indicator of health than the presence of a stub."

Real companies with people running them who want to do things on the up and up and who know how to run a successful company want to keep a paper trail of every dollar going in or out the door. This includes having a pay sub with every single paycheck or invoice paid that shows what was paid, how much was paid, why it was paid, and when it was paid. That's How to Business 101.

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