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Post by tdkl »

cJ0th wrote: post #184
CodeMichael wrote: post #58

I'm trying to find more info about https://wire.com They would seem to be doing all the right things, such as OTR and not rolling their own protocols, but I've only been able to find a couple of opinions and nothing concrete. The fact that they've made effort to open source it and are letting people write their own clients for it is encouraging, but not proof that it's a solid system.

Just made an account. Looks pretty good so far. A huge plus, imo, is that they don't require a phone number at all. However, I am afraid I won't be able to convince anyone to use it :(

It must be one of the cleanest Android apps I've ever seen, yet alone messenger apps. The settings are well done, it performs great and doesn't even run a service (at least the Play Store version). Think I'm going to try to bring some of the close friends/family to this.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

nostrademons wrote: post #203
krisa wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you will try to actualy delete your fb account (at least when i did it some time ago). Its a minefield of dark patterns. First you need special link, because you can only deactivate from settings. Then you will have to go through pile of emotionaly draining photos of friends with claims that they will mis you and you wont be able to see what they are doing with their lives. Then few traps with agreeing about del…

I've heard that rather than deleting your FB account, it's better to turn it into a piece of obviously-fictitious performance art. Don't try to remove your data from the Internet (which is futile; you know Facebook still has it on some archive somewhere anyway). Instead, replace it with nonsense. Set your interests to your competitors so that you get notifications everytime they release a new feature, and full inform…

I've thought about posting some really over-the-top shock/porn imagery to my Facebook wall, basically making it look like it was hacked. Maybe then they'll cancel my account, like I've asked them to do several times.

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Post by ffggvv »

throwanem wrote: post #163
ffggvv wrote: post #155

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I wish it too. But it's your choice. Also don't write stuff like this.... > Put another way, we find ourselves in a situation where a single, rather secretive corporation mediates the interactions of a significant fraction of the species, and has already been known to manipulate the perception of its users in ways which might be to its benefit. When I was a kid, this would've been no more than fodder for third-rate d…

I think it's adorable how you just casually assume I have a Facebook account and I'm speaking in purely theoretical terms here. It's not that I don't want to see Facebook killed with an axe. I'm just not so foolish as to imagine that browbeating people will make that more likely. Don't confuse the two.

I'm really sorry, I generalized. I read your other comments, thanks for standing against facebook.

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Post by oldmanjay »

treebeard901 wrote: post #147
0xmohit wrote: post #68

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Most don't like hearing this: if you don't want your personal information to be shared, don't use these "social media" tools. I suspect that you'd be familiar with LinkedIn dark patterns [0] too. [0] https://medium.com/@danrschlosser/linkedin-dark-patterns-3ae...

"Don't use these tools if you value privacy" is not that far off from "If you have nothing to hide, why are you afraid of surveillance?" An observed life is not a free life. Many people have to use social media to communicate with family, work associates, etc... In many cases, facebook messaging has replaced methods of communication that did not rely on the content or metadata of messages for profit. All that really…

You said a whole lot but never actually articulated your point. I'm assuming it's something about how it's not fair that you find Facebook to be useful. Could you clarify?

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

krisa wrote: post #173
kristianc wrote: post #63

This is an incredibly ugly dark pattern. The 'share information with Facebook' nugget is hidden behind a toggle at the bottom of the screen, and will be guaranteed to be missed by the 99% of users who just want to talk to their friends. Then, once you've agreed to the terms and conditions, you've got a completely arbitrary 30 days to read an online article which tells you what you've signed up for before WhatsApp is…

When you will try to actualy delete your fb account (at least when i did it some time ago). Its a minefield of dark patterns. First you need special link, because you can only deactivate from settings. Then you will have to go through pile of emotionaly draining photos of friends with claims that they will mis you and you wont be able to see what they are doing with their lives. Then few traps with agreeing about del…

I recently deleted an old account, and it was significantly easier than before: I just clicked a link on one of the help pages, entered my password, and that was it. And this was for deleting, not deactivating, my account.

It used to be more difficult: I remember following the process you're describing for some other account I had. It might still be that difficult in some cases, I don't know.

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by rhizome »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #212
nostrademons wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard that rather than deleting your FB account, it's better to turn it into a piece of obviously-fictitious performance art. Don't try to remove your data from the Internet (which is futile; you know Facebook still has it on some archive somewhere anyway). Instead, replace it with nonsense. Set your interests to your competitors so that you get notifications everytime they release a new feature, and full inform…

I've thought about posting some really over-the-top shock/porn imagery to my Facebook wall, basically making it look like it was hacked. Maybe then they'll cancel my account, like I've asked them to do several times.

I would lean more towards setting up a script that will post whatever the 400th most popular story on Google News, thus destroying your demographic membership. Turn yourself into noise.

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Post by narrowrail »

whyever wrote: post #208
erlehmann_ wrote: post #80

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The author of Signal (Moxie Marlinspike) seems actively hostile to not only federation efforts but also compatibility with other clients, even one that only removed the dependency of Signal on Google Play Services: http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/posts/signal-lock-in.ht...

Why don't you just link his blog post on federation instead of misrepresenting his opinion? https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/

I've been thinking about this a bit, and I think it would be possible to setup a non-profit, 'Federation Authority' (if you will), that could transparently govern a network of independent operators (that interoperate). Wikipedia works pretty well (IMO), and there would be an opportunity to iterate on their model (e.g. live web stream of board meetings).

I believe with enough traction, we could get hedge funds to give money while shorting the publicly traded companies that operate walled-garden networks.

N.B. I read your link when it was written originally, and have not taken the time to go at the issues raised point-for-point, but I'd like to see more efforts made in the direction I mentioned above.

Edit: The protocol has to have federation built-in from the beginning, and the ability of any server to granularly discriminate against any given TLD at their operator's discretion.

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by nostrademons »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #212
nostrademons wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard that rather than deleting your FB account, it's better to turn it into a piece of obviously-fictitious performance art. Don't try to remove your data from the Internet (which is futile; you know Facebook still has it on some archive somewhere anyway). Instead, replace it with nonsense. Set your interests to your competitors so that you get notifications everytime they release a new feature, and full inform…

I've thought about posting some really over-the-top shock/porn imagery to my Facebook wall, basically making it look like it was hacked. Maybe then they'll cancel my account, like I've asked them to do several times.

Random evil thought: could you sell your Facebook account to hackers? You've built up a multi-year reputation as a "known good" account; that'd be incredibly valuable to someone trying to generate cross-correlations between your interests and their product. After all, the whole reason Facebook is worth $300B is because they have all this data on their users; since it's your data to begin with, shouldn't you be able monetize it just the way Facebook does?
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