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Post by newscracker »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #38
MatthiasP wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Telegram use E2E encryption by default now, yes or no?

For most people the fact that it does not makes it useful. It goves you good multi device support similar to facebook messenger.

Multi-device support and message sync do not necessarily preclude end-to-end encryption. Of course, it's a lot easier to accomplish these without end-to-end encryption.

Wire [1] (which I discovered a few months ago) is a platform that has end-to-end encryption, multi-platform support and multi-device sync. It also has text chats, voice calls, video calls, doodling, etc. The UX still needs a lot of improvement (compared to Telegram).

[1]: https://wire.com

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by overcast »

chinathrow wrote: post #10

So when you remove that tickbox "Share my account info" - your data still gets shared: "The Facebook family of companies will still receive and use this information for other purposes such as improving infrastructure and delivery systems, understanding how our services or theirs are used, securing systems, and fighting spam, abuse, or infringement activities." Never does it say, you won't get ads. But if you share, y…

I would just assume anything you do on the Facebook family of applications, is using your information to maximize revenue. Regardless of what tick boxes you check.

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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chinathrow wrote: post #10

So when you remove that tickbox "Share my account info" - your data still gets shared: "The Facebook family of companies will still receive and use this information for other purposes such as improving infrastructure and delivery systems, understanding how our services or theirs are used, securing systems, and fighting spam, abuse, or infringement activities." Never does it say, you won't get ads. But if you share, y…

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Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by newscracker »

gonehome wrote: post #49
skrowl wrote: post #8

Or... you know... just use something like Telegram that isn't owned by Facebook. Their data-sharing / privacy policy is pretty simple https://telegram.org/privacy 1. Sharing data We never share your data with anyone. No.

It's not clear to me why anyone would use Telegram over Signal.

Telegram is way ahead on several fronts - UX, feature rollout speed, message delivery speed, multi-platform support, multi-device message sync, etc. Signal is still improving slowly and is nowhere close to Telegram (in my experience) in any of these areas. Of the three apps I use for messaging, my current position is that Telegram > Wire > Signal.

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by MrZongle2 »

throwanem wrote: post #107
ffggvv wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So much power? You give him power. Just delete your facebook account and uninstall their apps!

And watch your friendships grow stale, lose touch with your family members, opt out of knowing about upcoming events... The phrase "network effect" exists for a reason. Where people don't think about keeping in touch with others in any terms other than Facebook, refusing to play along with Facebook comes with serious consequences.

"And watch your friendships grow stale, lose touch with your family members, opt out of knowing about upcoming events..."

And how exactly do you think these things worked before Facebook?

"Friends" who don't want to make the effort to stay in touch outside of a dead-simple social app aren't friends, anyway.

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by jamisteven »

Linkability at its best. Been saying for years that FB is trying to help establish the single-sign-on for all to access the internet. Thats why every major email and social outlet are demanding you input your phone number and secondary email alongside your existing account info. Eventually this will help the government know who is behind each IP address. No need to keep avoiding the phone number security prompt at the top of FB anymore, they already have it through their acquisiton of whatsApp, what a shame.

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by cs02rm0 »

omginternets wrote: post #51
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #34

Man, remember the late 90s and early 2000s, when the IM scene was a mess of incompatible networks like ICQ and AIM and MSN Messenger, and people were like "fuck this" and came up with this protocol that was interoperable with all the others through gateways and also it was extendable, and we could all be happy together?... /grump The worst part is that WhatsApp is actually based on Jabber >:(

I recently started looking into XMPP again a few days ago. I have a few ideas for projects built on top thereof. Can anybody recommend XMPP servers? I know duckduckgo has an XMPP service up and running, but I can't seem to find any relevant API documentation. All I found was this [0], which doesn't go into details about encryption settings and isn't very useful for programmatic interaction. [0] https://duck.co/blog/p…

Openfire is actively developed. https://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by newscracker »

ffggvv wrote: post #105

Guys, there's only one solution. Delete your accounts and uninstall the apps. That's it! Here's the link to delete your account. https://www.facebook.com/help/delete_account

I deleted my WhatsApp account the moment I learned it was acquired by Facebook. Unfortunately, I have to use Facebook for certain purposes to reach certain people. So Facebook very likely has more information (including my phone number) from other Facebook users and WhatsApp users who have me in their contact lists.

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by newscracker »

CodeMichael wrote: post #58

I'm trying to find more info about https://wire.com They would seem to be doing all the right things, such as OTR and not rolling their own protocols, but I've only been able to find a couple of opinions and nothing concrete. The fact that they've made effort to open source it and are letting people write their own clients for it is encouraging, but not proof that it's a solid system.

I discovered Wire a few months ago and have been impressed with its feature set. While Wire states that it is using axolotl ratchet, note that it is not the same as the Signal protocol used by Signal. Apparently Wire took the axolotl ratchet (the one Signal started with) and created a custom version for its own use. Moxie stated something of this sort in a comment recently on HN. There have also been some conflicts between Wire and OpenWhisperSystems (searching the web, in addition to reading up on Wire's site, will show you different sides of this).

To avoid confusion about axolotl ratchet and its usage, OpenWhisperSystems changed the name of the protocol used to Signal protocol in March. [1]

[1]: https://whispersystems.org/blog/signal-inside-and-out/

Re: “How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?”

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Post by chimprich »

kennell wrote: post #41
skrowl wrote: post #8

Or... you know... just use something like Telegram that isn't owned by Facebook. Their data-sharing / privacy policy is pretty simple https://telegram.org/privacy 1. Sharing data We never share your data with anyone. No.

Who keeps the lights on? The app is free, i have never seen any ads.

WhatsApp users to receive adverts: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37184651
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