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Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#61
Mate, you self-worth is being jeopardised by (may I say) your own deluded thoughts and your reliance on external validation.

When I first joined IBM research right out of school I thought that everyone would be some Einstein and I would be blown away. And at first I was, with everyone talking acronyms and things that just flew over my head. But over time, I realised the place was run by only a few truly smart people and the rest were just regular 9-5'rs. Don't ever compare yourself to anyone. Another memory: I played pro tennis years ago and I would watch some player and think "OMG, this guy is amazing", but I never knew that this guy was probably looking at me and saying the same things. I learned not to care about appearances or be intimidated by someone off court. I learned that the only thing that matters is when I'm on the court, playing against him and trying to kick his ass. Nothing else mattered.

And jumping ship is not the answer. My mother said a great thing: "when you move, you take yourself with you". If you have deluded thoughts and rely on external validation, then why do you think moving will solve this?

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#62
Get actual, immediate help. ASAP.

Unrelated, but the issue w.r.t. your wife is probably something else that should be discussed, but it's secondary to the immediate issue.

As soon as you reach the point that "death doesn't seem so bad anymore" you need to take a step back and put things in their proper perspective. If you cannot do this yourself, or feel that the risk of attempting to is too great, then you need to put your trust in someone else until you're rational again.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#63

So the way you feel about interview puzzles is how most people feel about them. It's -stupidly- rare for people to 'figure out' the question in an interview; even those who appear to are just dredging it up from having seen it somewhere. A lot of those style questions are things that took someone weeks to figure out originally, and while we may be better equipped than they were, and so able to figure them out faster…

> It's -stupidly- rare for people to 'figure out' the question in an interview ...really? I've heard of people failing interviews at the Big4 because they solved the problem, but did it sub optimally.

Generally people are looking for a preferred solution, solving the problem, but not in the preferred way is usually not enough.

This isn't good or anything (though, sometimes there's the really obvious super slow way, and its appropriate to ask for something better), its just the way it is.

This is especially pronounced with junior interviewers, I've gotten dinged for missing capitalization on one variable in an otherwise flawless exercise.

Most interviewers at these company, especially those with little empathy or training, are looking to rule you out, and are looking to find a problem with whatever it is you do. Sometimes they tell themselves that its because they want to keep a high bar, but its usually just so they can feel better than someone else, they aren't good at judging problem solving ability, only that you arrived at the solution that they had in mind.

I've had offers from the Big 4, and I've totally bombed interviews with them too. I prepared a lot before hand, and its mostly just luck of the draw, if I get a set of coding questions I've seen before, or is similar to what I've seen, I pass, if I don't, I don't. I'm the same engineer either way.

I wish a lot of people in our industry would quit with the alpha nerd crap, you aren't that important, and you're pissing on people that could help you build your project. I think its egged on by the "A players all the time" mantra at large tech organizations, so when you take insecure nerds, and puff their egos up, this is what you get.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#67
post #44

So the way you feel about interview puzzles is how most people feel about them. It's -stupidly- rare for people to 'figure out' the question in an interview; even those who appear to are just dredging it up from having seen it somewhere. A lot of those style questions are things that took someone weeks to figure out originally, and while we may be better equipped than they were, and so able to figure them out faster…

> It's -stupidly- rare for people to 'figure out' the question in an interview; even those who appear to are just dredging it up from having seen it somewhere. Isn't the point of those questions more to evaluate your problem solving skills (coming from someone who has never been up against those questions), and not to determine if you can actually solve the problem, but how you're able to justify your answer?

In theory, but many if not most interviewers will ding you for getting them wrong anyways.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#68
post #56

I just went through my first interview after 2 and half months of being unemployed. I did have some anxiety initially, but I learnt to work through it. My telephone interview with a hot startup didn't go as planned and I was turned down. It felt like I wouldn't get a job anymore. It's important to look back to see where you started and what you've achieved. Not doing good at an interview doesn't mean you are worthles…

I totally agree with everything you said, but often one doesn't really know what the process will be like until you're in it. I know it sounds weird, but it takes superhuman effort to back out when you're on site and being subjected to this stuff.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#70

Mate, you self-worth is being jeopardised by (may I say) your own deluded thoughts and your reliance on external validation. When I first joined IBM research right out of school I thought that everyone would be some Einstein and I would be blown away. And at first I was, with everyone talking acronyms and things that just flew over my head. But over time, I realised the place was run by only a few truly smart people…

IBM research and pro tennis. Has to be trolling!
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