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4 a.m. Is the Most Productive Hour

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Re: 4 a.m. Is the Most Productive Hour

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Post by blackflame7000 »

throwaway991199 wrote: post #16

Wow, remind me not to hire you for a job then. As an employer I am paying you to put my work ahead of yours. I am paying you to be productive so that with the collective production of the employees, the company can outmaneuver the competition. This lackadaisical approach and work-ethic means that, of course the mile high task list will always be there. It'll never ever get done!

For someone who knows absolutely nothing of the OP's circumstances, you sure are confident in asserting he is overpaid and under-worked.

Re: 4 a.m. Is the Most Productive Hour

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Post by oftenwrong »

johansch wrote: post #8

Who the heck gets productive within 1-2 hours of waking up? Sure, those hours are great for ingesting what has happened since the last cycle but not really for creating new value. Edit: I just realized I wrote this the wrong way. What I meant was that I can't imagine people being productive during the first 1-2 hours after waking up.

It depends how quickly you get through the morning routine doesn't it? For example: If you work from home, you have no commute, you don't need to get dressed, etc. Roll out of bed, slug down some soylent, do some jumping jacks to get the body warmed up, and start catching up on yesterday. With that minimal morning routine, you could easily be in the zone within 1-2 hours.

Re: 4 a.m. Is the Most Productive Hour

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Post by gingerrr »

throwaway991199 wrote: post #16

Wow, remind me not to hire you for a job then. As an employer I am paying you to put my work ahead of yours. I am paying you to be productive so that with the collective production of the employees, the company can outmaneuver the competition. This lackadaisical approach and work-ethic means that, of course the mile high task list will always be there. It'll never ever get done!

It's a good indicator of your management style that you won't even publically forward your opinion without a throwaway.

Nobody wants to work for a coward.

Re: 4 a.m. Is the Most Productive Hour

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Post by brightball »

throwaway991199 wrote: post #16

Wow, remind me not to hire you for a job then. As an employer I am paying you to put my work ahead of yours. I am paying you to be productive so that with the collective production of the employees, the company can outmaneuver the competition. This lackadaisical approach and work-ethic means that, of course the mile high task list will always be there. It'll never ever get done!

If you believe you are hiring him for that reason, then I see why you felt the need to use a throwaway.

You're buying his time and experience for agreed upon hours. You don't have the ability to make him put your work ahead of his anymore than you have the ability to make him put your work ahead of his family, personal life, education or retirement savings.

In discussions like this I tend to fall on sympathizing with employers because until you've taken the risk, hired and managed people you don't fully appreciate just how hard it is or how difficult it is to keep people happy.

What you're describing is closer to buying his life - which would be an understandable arrangement from a business partner but not an everyday employee.

Re: 4 a.m. Is the Most Productive Hour

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Post by throwanem »

throwaway991199 wrote: post #16

Wow, remind me not to hire you for a job then. As an employer I am paying you to put my work ahead of yours. I am paying you to be productive so that with the collective production of the employees, the company can outmaneuver the competition. This lackadaisical approach and work-ethic means that, of course the mile high task list will always be there. It'll never ever get done!

> As an employer I am paying you to put my work ahead of yours.

While I'm at the office. You want me to dedicate my entire life to your business instead of mine, that costs more than you can afford.

Re: 4 a.m. Is the Most Productive Hour

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Post by randyrand »

RankingMember wrote: post #18
throwaway991199 wrote: post #16

Wow, remind me not to hire you for a job then. As an employer I am paying you to put my work ahead of yours. I am paying you to be productive so that with the collective production of the employees, the company can outmaneuver the competition. This lackadaisical approach and work-ethic means that, of course the mile high task list will always be there. It'll never ever get done!

>As an employer I am paying you to put my work ahead of >yours. Maybe you're an employer in a 3rd world country so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but no worthwhile employer in the US would even pretend to expect that.

In my experience, most do.

In Japan it's even common to expect an employee to move in a weeks notice for up to a year at a time.

Re: 4 a.m. Is the Most Productive Hour

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Post by RankingMember »

randyrand wrote: post #26
RankingMember wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>As an employer I am paying you to put my work ahead of >yours. Maybe you're an employer in a 3rd world country so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but no worthwhile employer in the US would even pretend to expect that.

In my experience, most do. In Japan it's even common to expect an employee to move in a weeks notice for up to a year at a time.

Keep in mind I said "worthwhile". :)

I wouldn't tell anyone how to value their time, but I certainly wouldn't tolerate an employer telling me what I could focus on during off-hours.

Re: 4 a.m. Is the Most Productive Hour

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Post by whizzkid »

throwaway991199 wrote: post #16

Wow, remind me not to hire you for a job then. As an employer I am paying you to put my work ahead of yours. I am paying you to be productive so that with the collective production of the employees, the company can outmaneuver the competition. This lackadaisical approach and work-ethic means that, of course the mile high task list will always be there. It'll never ever get done!

No no no my friend. You are paying your employees to work under the employment agreement that you both signed.

> I am paying you to be productive so that with the collective production of the employees, the company can outmaneuver the competition

Your employees may be so productive on a project that has no future which at the end will not help the company at all. It is you who should steer the ship for competition. I think you are confusing being a lazy employee with what he/she is saying.

Re: 4 a.m. Is the Most Productive Hour

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Post by mgr86 »

throwaway991199 wrote: post #16

Wow, remind me not to hire you for a job then. As an employer I am paying you to put my work ahead of yours. I am paying you to be productive so that with the collective production of the employees, the company can outmaneuver the competition. This lackadaisical approach and work-ethic means that, of course the mile high task list will always be there. It'll never ever get done!

on one hand this feels like sarcasm, on the other hand he used an account with the name throwaway.

Re: 4 a.m. Is the Most Productive Hour

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Post by randyrand »

brightball wrote: post #24
throwaway991199 wrote: post #16

Wow, remind me not to hire you for a job then. As an employer I am paying you to put my work ahead of yours. I am paying you to be productive so that with the collective production of the employees, the company can outmaneuver the competition. This lackadaisical approach and work-ethic means that, of course the mile high task list will always be there. It'll never ever get done!

If you believe you are hiring him for that reason, then I see why you felt the need to use a throwaway. You're buying his time and experience for agreed upon hours. You don't have the ability to make him put your work ahead of his anymore than you have the ability to make him put your work ahead of his family, personal life, education or retirement savings. In discussions like this I tend to fall on sympathizing with…

Of course, you're forgetting the most important part!

People get paid for all sorts of reasons. If you are being paid specifically to put work in front of your hobbies, then that is your job! Think database uptime employees who are paid to get up in the middle of the night to fix a bug, etc. Heck, I even paid a friend to eat a shoe once; you can pay people to do all sorts of things. Paying someone to put work in front of hobbies is hardly novel or extreme.

Of course, this should be clear in the job description!!

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