Fedora 25 to Run Wayland by Default

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Post by XzetaU8 » Sun, Aug 21, 2016, 6:44 PM UTC

Fedora 25 to Run Wayland by Default
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Re: Fedora 25 to Run Wayland by Default

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Post by mixmastamyk » Sun, Aug 21, 2016, 8:41 PM UTC

Great, this is an important milestone we've been waiting years for. No doubt there will be lots of problems, but that's the first step in getting them fixed.

Re: Fedora 25 to Run Wayland by Default

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Post by SwellJoe » Sun, Aug 21, 2016, 9:10 PM UTC

I just got a 4k laptop, but my monitor is 1080p, so I'm excited about Wayland getting better faster (it's the only good way I know of to have different scaling across displays). I'm still finding all sorts of weird quirks in Linux with 4k...but, I'm also still finding quirks in lots of Windows software, too (games and music software, in particular, are prone to using their own UI toolkits and end up looking ridiculous because of it). So, I can't blame Linux for all of those problems; it's just a tricky problem, I guess.

Re: Fedora 25 to Run Wayland by Default

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Post by oDot » Sun, Aug 21, 2016, 9:11 PM UTC

What about Redshift on Wayland :(?

Re: Fedora 25 to Run Wayland by Default

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Post by CJefferson » Sun, Aug 21, 2016, 9:17 PM UTC

SwellJoe wrote: post #3

I just got a 4k laptop, but my monitor is 1080p, so I'm excited about Wayland getting better faster (it's the only good way I know of to have different scaling across displays). I'm still finding all sorts of weird quirks in Linux with 4k...but, I'm also still finding quirks in lots of Windows software, too (games and music software, in particular, are prone to using their own UI toolkits and end up looking ridiculou…

This is one thing that Mac seems to have gotten perfect nowadays, I connect my retina laptop to non-retina monitors, and every seems to work fine, all the time.

Apple made one massive simplification -- apps only run at 1x size, or 2x size, and nothing else. This isn't theoretically "nice", but (for me) covers most use cases, and seems to have made the implementation much easier, as you can still design your interface pixel-wise, and just let the OS double scale everything.

Re: Fedora 25 to Run Wayland by Default

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Post by majewsky » Sun, Aug 21, 2016, 9:22 PM UTC

oDot wrote: post #4

What about Redshift on Wayland :(?

For Redshift, I rely on actual red glasses. You can find these on Amazon etc., search for "UV protection glasses". The advantage is that these work with any screen, even with paper books. The disadvantage is that you have to remember to put them on. :)

Re: Fedora 25 to Run Wayland by Default

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Post by jakehilborn » Sun, Aug 21, 2016, 9:43 PM UTC

CJefferson wrote: post #5

SwellJoe wrote: post #3

I just got a 4k laptop, but my monitor is 1080p, so I'm excited about Wayland getting better faster (it's the only good way I know of to have different scaling across displays). I'm still finding all sorts of weird quirks in Linux with 4k...but, I'm also still finding quirks in lots of Windows software, too (games and music software, in particular, are prone to using their own UI toolkits and end up looking ridiculou…

This is one thing that Mac seems to have gotten perfect nowadays, I connect my retina laptop to non-retina monitors, and every seems to work fine, all the time. Apple made one massive simplification -- apps only run at 1x size, or 2x size, and nothing else. This isn't theoretically "nice", but (for me) covers most use cases, and seems to have made the implementation much easier, as you can still design your interface…

OSX's scaling system is actually more flexible than just 1x and 2x. I often run my 4K monitor at the effective 1440p resolution. Applications such as Retina Display Manager let you choose between many more scaling sizes than the standard system settings.

Re: Fedora 25 to Run Wayland by Default

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Post by Shish2k » Sun, Aug 21, 2016, 9:47 PM UTC

jakehilborn wrote: post #7

CJefferson wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one thing that Mac seems to have gotten perfect nowadays, I connect my retina laptop to non-retina monitors, and every seems to work fine, all the time. Apple made one massive simplification -- apps only run at 1x size, or 2x size, and nothing else. This isn't theoretically "nice", but (for me) covers most use cases, and seems to have made the implementation much easier, as you can still design your interface…

OSX's scaling system is actually more flexible than just 1x and 2x. I often run my 4K monitor at the effective 1440p resolution. Applications such as Retina Display Manager let you choose between many more scaling sizes than the standard system settings.

AFAIK that's scaling the display, not scaling the applications?

Re: Fedora 25 to Run Wayland by Default

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Post by srslack » Sun, Aug 21, 2016, 9:49 PM UTC

oDot wrote: post #4

What about Redshift on Wayland :(?

Needs to be implemented in each compositor, like most other missing details on Wayland.

Re: Fedora 25 to Run Wayland by Default

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Post by vertex-four » Sun, Aug 21, 2016, 10:01 PM UTC

srslack wrote: post #9

oDot wrote: post #4

What about Redshift on Wayland :(?

Needs to be implemented in each compositor, like most other missing details on Wayland.

Actually... Wayland fully supports transparent windows assuming you have a buffer with alpha transparency, and windows have no decoration by default. It would take a very small protocol extension to allow overlay windows which don't accept input of their own, allowing for Redshift (and other tinting tools, such as those for dyslexia) to implement such an extension without embedding it into a compositor.

Wayland has a process for standardising extensions - write the XML file defining it and send an email to the mailing list, then respond to questions - if developers cared about Wayland, they could do it.