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Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by digler999 »

digler999 wrote: post #165
Silhouette wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they were the "good guy", they would deliver content 100% DRM-free and actively support the public domain. And pay the hundreds or thousands of people involved in making a major movie or demanding TV show for months or years of their time with what, sunshine and rainbows? It would be lovely if we could all just contribute our skills and talents for the general improvement of humanity, but the thing about professio…

So they should take investor's money and say "thanks guys, we're going to use your dollars to pay for new, cool shows and release them for free to the public domain, cause screw DRM! that's, why!"

oops, I intended to reply to the parent comment.

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by Endy »

Silhouette wrote: post #186
Endy wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You assume that I have a problem with less media in the world. I don't. If 90% of the new content that we see and hear disappeared tomorrow, I would be just fine with that. As it ism we have an overwhelming amount of content that distracts us from things that matter like actually helping people. We give tons and tons of money to entertainers while hard-working EMTs and fire fighters are woefully underpaid. We willing…

You assume that I have a problem with less media in the world. I don't. Then you're welcome to ignore anything DRM'd. No-one is forcing you to watch it, listen to it, play it or run it. What you're not welcome to do is dictate to many millions of other people who do enjoy that content and/or find it useful how they must live their lives or what must matter to them. The lack of implied paywall is not going to stop the…

At best, we're going to have to agree to disagree here.

I don't agree to your assessment of the overall situation. Up to a point, I do believe that revolution doesn't always come easy - and right now, a revolution is what's needed against DRM and those who perpetuate it. I did say, though, that I believe in people who do things for passion. There might even be some content I'd be willing to fund, from proven creators through crowd-funding.

Also, I know several people who do create amazing work in their spare time. And most of them don't work in content-related fields.

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by Endy »

digler999 wrote: post #165
Silhouette wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they were the "good guy", they would deliver content 100% DRM-free and actively support the public domain. And pay the hundreds or thousands of people involved in making a major movie or demanding TV show for months or years of their time with what, sunshine and rainbows? It would be lovely if we could all just contribute our skills and talents for the general improvement of humanity, but the thing about professio…

So they should take investor's money and say "thanks guys, we're going to use your dollars to pay for new, cool shows and release them for free to the public domain, cause screw DRM! that's, why!"

Yes.

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

#194

Post by Endy »

digler999 wrote: post #163
Endy wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are not the "good guy" - they're merely among the lesser of a few evils. If they were the "good guy", they would deliver content 100% DRM-free and actively support the public domain. For me, "Cancel Netflix!" is not merely a call to remove myself from their service, but rather a call to remove a DRM-friendly platform from the face of the Web. Because as it stands, every other DRM jail can point to Netflix and sa…

> they would deliver content 100% DRM-free Then most of their content would be 60s era public domain garbage. No movie studio would license their content if any high-school freshman with libpcap installed could copy their whole catalog! I'm NOT pro-DRM, all DRM does is get broken and it allows fraudulent business practices (such as the top comment Kindle owner post). But it's "the lesser of a few evils", to use your…

> But I digress, if they made no efforts whatsoever to show they do not condone piracy, what studio in their right mind would agree to license their content ?

What makes you think the studios are in their right mind to begin with?

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by [deleted] »

Endy wrote: post #192
Silhouette wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You assume that I have a problem with less media in the world. I don't. Then you're welcome to ignore anything DRM'd. No-one is forcing you to watch it, listen to it, play it or run it. What you're not welcome to do is dictate to many millions of other people who do enjoy that content and/or find it useful how they must live their lives or what must matter to them. The lack of implied paywall is not going to stop the…

At best, we're going to have to agree to disagree here. I don't agree to your assessment of the overall situation. Up to a point, I do believe that revolution doesn't always come easy - and right now, a revolution is what's needed against DRM and those who perpetuate it. I did say, though, that I believe in people who do things for passion. There might even be some content I'd be willing to fund, from proven creators…

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Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by xhdjdjjxjs »

Endy wrote: post #160
Silhouette wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they were the "good guy", they would deliver content 100% DRM-free and actively support the public domain. And pay the hundreds or thousands of people involved in making a major movie or demanding TV show for months or years of their time with what, sunshine and rainbows? It would be lovely if we could all just contribute our skills and talents for the general improvement of humanity, but the thing about professio…

You assume that I have a problem with less media in the world. I don't. If 90% of the new content that we see and hear disappeared tomorrow, I would be just fine with that. As it ism we have an overwhelming amount of content that distracts us from things that matter like actually helping people. We give tons and tons of money to entertainers while hard-working EMTs and fire fighters are woefully underpaid. We willing…

If you don't even like the media why do you care about not being able to watch it without DRM? Do you have to ruin it for everyone? I get so much utility from Netflix. This attitude reminds me of how some religious people want to force those who don't believe the religion to still follow its commandments. I'm going to go to hell either way, why do you care if I have some fun first?

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by IshKebab »

digler999 wrote: post #123

On their website is a banner: "Cancel netflix!". I click on it, and I'm told I should cancel netflix because they put DRM on their HTML5 delivery of movies. Now look, Im a self-professed pirate. I say screw most DRM and I dont recognize IP law. However, I totally disagree that I should "cancel netflix". What are they supposed to do ? Deliver all their movies DRM-free and see them immediately get copied to torrent sit…

A) Everything is on bittorrent anyway

B) Music download sites removed their DRM and they're doing fine, last I checked

I heard an argument that it isn't about stopping piracy; it's about controlling legitimate distribution, e.g. so they can charge Samsung for putting Netflix on their TVs. No idea if that is true but it certainly sounds plausible.

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by nurb »

digler999 wrote: post #123

On their website is a banner: "Cancel netflix!". I click on it, and I'm told I should cancel netflix because they put DRM on their HTML5 delivery of movies. Now look, Im a self-professed pirate. I say screw most DRM and I dont recognize IP law. However, I totally disagree that I should "cancel netflix". What are they supposed to do ? Deliver all their movies DRM-free and see them immediately get copied to torrent sit…

In fact everything on Netflix is already available in torrent, so DRM-free or not, nothing will change on this side.

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by scarface74 »

Endy wrote: post #137
digler999 wrote: post #123

On their website is a banner: "Cancel netflix!". I click on it, and I'm told I should cancel netflix because they put DRM on their HTML5 delivery of movies. Now look, Im a self-professed pirate. I say screw most DRM and I dont recognize IP law. However, I totally disagree that I should "cancel netflix". What are they supposed to do ? Deliver all their movies DRM-free and see them immediately get copied to torrent sit…

They are not the "good guy" - they're merely among the lesser of a few evils. If they were the "good guy", they would deliver content 100% DRM-free and actively support the public domain. For me, "Cancel Netflix!" is not merely a call to remove myself from their service, but rather a call to remove a DRM-friendly platform from the face of the Web. Because as it stands, every other DRM jail can point to Netflix and sa…

The whole schtick about DRM is that you don't own the content. When you subscribe to Netflix, it is explicit that you are paying for access not ownership. I have no problem paying for a DRMd Apple Music subscription as a rental model and DRM free music from iTunes music that I own.

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by makomk »

digler999 wrote: post #163
Endy wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are not the "good guy" - they're merely among the lesser of a few evils. If they were the "good guy", they would deliver content 100% DRM-free and actively support the public domain. For me, "Cancel Netflix!" is not merely a call to remove myself from their service, but rather a call to remove a DRM-friendly platform from the face of the Web. Because as it stands, every other DRM jail can point to Netflix and sa…

> they would deliver content 100% DRM-free Then most of their content would be 60s era public domain garbage. No movie studio would license their content if any high-school freshman with libpcap installed could copy their whole catalog! I'm NOT pro-DRM, all DRM does is get broken and it allows fraudulent business practices (such as the top comment Kindle owner post). But it's "the lesser of a few evils", to use your…

Netflix's catalogue is small enough, the value of re-watching existing content low enough, and pirated copies widely available enough that it's unlikely people could be bothered to do this. Meanwhile the DRM means there are annoying restrictions on what devices you can actually watch i on.
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