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Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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How many pirates have made any effort to sponsor creators, or pay creators directly for original content? Studies in Norway, the UK, Australia and the US have shown that pirates actually spend more than the general population on digital products like music and films. The idea that you're either a Buyer or a Pirate is not, and has never been true. The fact is that a lot of people simply can't afford to buy all the con…

Citations please? I agree, but would like to have sources to back up my own observations.

Norway: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2009/apr/21/study-finds-pi...

UK: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121126/00590921141/dear-...

US: http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/02/26/57-million-americ...

Australia: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150722/06502731723/aussi...

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Orrrr support a non-DRM publisher. Ya know

Fuck no. Life is too short and literature matters too much to pass on good books and read worse ones just because of their publishers' DRM politics. Don't reward DRM-encumbered ebooks, sure. If you want to punish the publisher, just buy it used on paper or go to the library. But read the books you wanted to read in the first place.

Not sure what you're disagreeing with.

First of all, all Kindle books are DRM-protected, yet you can find many of them DRM-free, especially the technical ones, if you buy them from their publishers directly instead of places like Amazon. I can also show you books selling in Google's Play Store or other places without DRM, whereas all Amazon Kindle books are DRM-enabled.

But speaking about short lives, while I agree with buying books in print (I love to buy used books btw), authors that are alive and that still own the copyright are often complicit in this. So why should I read the ebook of somebody that doesn't respect me? From my point of view, a book takes some resources to read, which could be better spent on authors and publishers that do respect me enough to not DRM-enable those books. Or in other words, there are thousands, tens of thousands of books I could be reading, I only have bandwidth for about 2-4 per month and the rules of competition still apply.

Also, to get one thing straight, there's nothing holy about reading books. It's just another form of entertainment.

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Second this. While I do occasionally buy Kindle books, I only buy them as long as the DRM is straightforward to remove. The moment they get aggressive about DRM, it'll be the last time I ever buy one. I don't feel strongly enough about it to avoid books I want to read that are only available with DRM, but I do insist on having an unencumbered copy. And when a book is available from a source I know are good about not…

>The only form of "DRM" I don't mind are the e-book stores that provide you with a personalised copy that includes my name/e-mail, but otherwise leaves the book unprotected. And that also implies that you give up right of resale. I can sell a physical book after I have it. I can choose to write my name in there... Or not. Having my name plastered as you indicate is OK, means giving up my own guaranteed rights of resa…

I feel like right-of-resale is legitimately complicated for digital products. The right to resell a physical object doesn't give you the right to mass-produce it, but for digital products the two processes are identical.

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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If it was not for DRM removal tools I would have recently been screwed by Amazon, here is my story: I was a longtime customer (easily 10 years or more I think) and have bought every version of Kindle to have come out over the years (unfortunately they break easily) and have build up a large collection Recently I replaced the debit card on my account as the old one expired, placed and order for a digital game code for…

The only scenario, in which DRM makes any sense at all, is B2B patronage. Other businesses probably SHOULD license hobbled, encrypted garbage from provider businesses. It's a use case where a collective group of people decide to use a pre-defined set of noises and pictures for some reason or another. But who cares why, and no one on the consumer side of that transaction really owns the media samples directly. The pro…

The reason for DRM is to make casual piracy harder. Piracy will always exist, but if it goes beyond a certain point, it can disrupt and destroy the value of a created work. Creative work as it is is already devalued to the point where you are better off investing the hours spent into working at Mcdonalds and reaping a wage from that. If it gets prominent enough, things could get even worse.

I mean, if all you make from a novel is a $5,000 advance for a years labor, and you find that not only can you not rely on ebook sales to earn that out, the pirated copy cannibalizes print sales too, it's not a good thing right?

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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If it was not for DRM removal tools I would have recently been screwed by Amazon, here is my story: I was a longtime customer (easily 10 years or more I think) and have bought every version of Kindle to have come out over the years (unfortunately they break easily) and have build up a large collection Recently I replaced the debit card on my account as the old one expired, placed and order for a digital game code for…

Comment on "Kindle breaks easily". I have different experience. About 6 years ago I got Kindle for my birthday. Happily used it for half a year and then misplaced and couldn't find it for another half a year. Then I found it - it fell in a gap in my outside furniture and was lying outside exposed to elements for all this time. To bring it back to life all I needed is to charge it - used it for more than 5 years after…

i've gone through multiple ones myself, the e-ink screen is the big failure point.

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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The problem is of course that we as humans don't like to rent, we like to own and for good reasons. We only prefer to rent when overall the price is much better than owning or when we don't have a choice. Netflix and Spotify don't have a problem with their subscribers because the price is fair. $10 per month is fair for unlimited access to TV shows that you like. $10 is also fair for unlimited access to all the music…

But these prices haven't changed much in decades. Books have always cost that much, as have albums (the exception being textbooks). Discount vinyl record albums were US $5.99 in the 1970s . I have issues with DRM, but not because I find the prices exorbitant.

> Books have always cost that much

How much renting them used to cost?

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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post #53

If it was not for DRM removal tools I would have recently been screwed by Amazon, here is my story: I was a longtime customer (easily 10 years or more I think) and have bought every version of Kindle to have come out over the years (unfortunately they break easily) and have build up a large collection Recently I replaced the debit card on my account as the old one expired, placed and order for a digital game code for…

Comment on "Kindle breaks easily". I have different experience. About 6 years ago I got Kindle for my birthday. Happily used it for half a year and then misplaced and couldn't find it for another half a year. Then I found it - it fell in a gap in my outside furniture and was lying outside exposed to elements for all this time. To bring it back to life all I needed is to charge it - used it for more than 5 years after…

My significant other ends up going through about 1 kindle every year or so. She uses the backlight and reads it sometimes 2 - 4 hours a day. What happens is it starts randomly crashing or locking up, or just acting wonky when it hits around the 1 year mark.

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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DRM exists to counter piracy. Without DRM, the publishers/authors have to rely on the end customer, who, more often than not, will encourage piracy either by sharing our not buying through official channels The concerns raised are against corporations' clumsy implantations and you have to make your case heard against them.

Which is vastly different from how it works now.

"Let's watch X!" "Is it on Netflix?" "Aww damn, give me 5 minutes." "Alright, I've got it!" downloads xxx_X_1800p_brrip_supervids.mp4 "Just let me plug in my laptop" "THIS MEDIA IS PROTECTED BY INTERNATIONAL COPYRIGHT LAW" "Haha, I love it when they leave the warning in." enjoys movie.

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Don't rely on any 'official' solution to maintain your digital library as those are sure to stop working in one way (company goes bankrupt or gets bought) or another (planned obsolescence, forced upgrade, etc) in a few years time. Configure your own using one of the existing tools; if you use Owncloud or Nextcloud you could use my OPDS Catalog app ( https://apps.owncloud.com/content/show.php?content=168132 ), possibl…

I'd go one step further and build your own private cloud for a bunch of stuff. I did all this easily through a slick web interface for open source software and linux that Synology has created. A lot of this stuff includes apps for phone/tv/etc that you can download for free in stores or even from their own site, and it can be available to everyone in your household for some pretty decent savings - if it still works i…

That is exactly what something like Owncloud/Nextcloud (for which I made those book/publication-related tools) enables you to do: create a 'private cloud' (what a silly word it is, really... cloud). It does some of the things you mention 'out of the box' (file storage, photo uploading) or after installing some 'apps' (note server, music streaming, video streaming, email user agent (not a mail server)). Since it runs on *nix you get the rest (mail server, dns server) more or less 'for free', just configure it the way you want.

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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is it not the copyright owners right to allow others to resell or not!?

I absolutely have the right to buy a copy , watch it/read it, and sell it to someone else. First sale doctrine states that. I don't have the right to make and sell copies. I do certainly have that right for the original.

Part of the issue with this case, to me, is that the standing for bunnie does not adequately describe what is believed to be "paid for" content. As in, there is no differentiation between a streamed license or a purchased 'copy' in technical terms. To me this is a very important sticking point, legally, simply considering the nature of modern commerce.
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