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Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by 6stringmerc »

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC wrote: post #71
6stringmerc wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using your reasoning, only a small subset of people are genuinely affected by the Section 1201 implications - security researchers in particular. Again, you also in some ways prove my point by mentioning that DRM work-arounds are nearly a daily occurrence in certain arenas. My essay argues - vehemently - that academic exemption that passes the Four Factor Fair Use test absolutely deserves to be codified into the Sect…

> Using your reasoning, only a small subset of people are genuinely affected by the Section 1201 implications - security researchers in particular. Using your reasoning, only a small subset of people would be genuinely affected by a ban on medical research - medical researchers in particular. Security researchers don't do security research for the sake of it, but to make information technology more secure. When they…

Interesting perspective, and unfortunately I do not even remotely share the "scope" of the effects being claimed, which is why I time and again argue for effective reform. You've framed this as an incredible societal harm, which I simply don't see from a practical standpoint. I'd feel a lot better about your perspective if you would agree that "effective reform" can be possible in this instance without over-arching slavery and murder insinuations. Equivocating DRM with murder is ludicrous to me, it just is from a rhetorical standpoint.

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by eropple »

benologist wrote: post #74
Yetanfou wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't rely on any 'official' solution to maintain your digital library as those are sure to stop working in one way (company goes bankrupt or gets bought) or another (planned obsolescence, forced upgrade, etc) in a few years time. Configure your own using one of the existing tools; if you use Owncloud or Nextcloud you could use my OPDS Catalog app ( https://apps.owncloud.com/content/show.php?content=168132 ), possibl…

I'd go one step further and build your own private cloud for a bunch of stuff. I did all this easily through a slick web interface for open source software and linux that Synology has created. A lot of this stuff includes apps for phone/tv/etc that you can download for free in stores or even from their own site, and it can be available to everyone in your household for some pretty decent savings - if it still works i…

> cloud files almost directly equivalent to Dropbox

And when your electronics get trashed by water damage or the stray lightning strike? Cloud computing involves redundancy and fault tolerance and a box in your closet is neither. That goes particularly for "almost directly equivalent to Dropbox"; even setting aside sharing, "not having everything go up in smoke because my house burns down" is kind of a killer-app feature.

You can, of course, build a "private cloud". (I've done it for clients before!) But it will cost you.

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by dublinben »

Yetanfou wrote: post #25
throwaway1974 wrote: post #3

If it was not for DRM removal tools I would have recently been screwed by Amazon, here is my story: I was a longtime customer (easily 10 years or more I think) and have bought every version of Kindle to have come out over the years (unfortunately they break easily) and have build up a large collection Recently I replaced the debit card on my account as the old one expired, placed and order for a digital game code for…

Don't rely on any 'official' solution to maintain your digital library as those are sure to stop working in one way (company goes bankrupt or gets bought) or another (planned obsolescence, forced upgrade, etc) in a few years time. Configure your own using one of the existing tools; if you use Owncloud or Nextcloud you could use my OPDS Catalog app ( https://apps.owncloud.com/content/show.php?content=168132 ), possibl…

I would argue that it is more ethical to purchase a physical copy of the book you would like, then download a DRM-free copy from alternate sources. You have covered yourself ethically (and maybe even legally?) by purchasing a copy/license, without supporting the DRM-crippled offering. If more customers started to affect sales in this way, publishers might take a hint, and drop DRM.

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by benologist »

eropple wrote: post #82
benologist wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd go one step further and build your own private cloud for a bunch of stuff. I did all this easily through a slick web interface for open source software and linux that Synology has created. A lot of this stuff includes apps for phone/tv/etc that you can download for free in stores or even from their own site, and it can be available to everyone in your household for some pretty decent savings - if it still works i…

> cloud files almost directly equivalent to Dropbox And when your electronics get trashed by water damage or the stray lightning strike? Cloud computing involves redundancy and fault tolerance and a box in your closet is neither. That goes particularly for "almost directly equivalent to Dropbox"; even setting aside sharing, "not having everything go up in smoke because my house burns down" is kind of a killer-app fea…

It can also automatically sync whatever you want to any of dozens of archiving services... encrypted or not. Including Amazon Cloud Drive boasting unlimited space for $60/year, BackBlaze B2, S3, Glacier, Dropbox, Google Drive etc.

It can keep a redundant NAS in sync too but not sure how seamless that would be in practice if you wanted redundancy for the software running on it.

However what really makes me optimistic about this stuff is the aligned interests:

- a great software experience for their hardware leveraging open source solutions (I think it's brtfs for the versioning/restoring, transmission for torrents etc)

vs

- Dropbox selling a blob of space for $10/month and trying to solve the "problem" of you not paying more by lying in their advertisements

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by dublinben »

tedunangst wrote: post #73
reitanqild wrote: post #70

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I say not valid because you can rip the physical media and store the original in cheap offsite storage for whoever inherits you => best of both worlds.

I say not valid because audio doesn't have DRM anymore, just books, and ripping a book to PDF is more work than I'm inclined to do.

This service [0] will do that for you for as little as $1 a book.

[0] http://1dollarscan.com/

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by kefka »

vidarh wrote: post #32
Yetanfou wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't rely on any 'official' solution to maintain your digital library as those are sure to stop working in one way (company goes bankrupt or gets bought) or another (planned obsolescence, forced upgrade, etc) in a few years time. Configure your own using one of the existing tools; if you use Owncloud or Nextcloud you could use my OPDS Catalog app ( https://apps.owncloud.com/content/show.php?content=168132 ), possibl…

Second this. While I do occasionally buy Kindle books, I only buy them as long as the DRM is straightforward to remove. The moment they get aggressive about DRM, it'll be the last time I ever buy one. I don't feel strongly enough about it to avoid books I want to read that are only available with DRM, but I do insist on having an unencumbered copy. And when a book is available from a source I know are good about not…

>The only form of "DRM" I don't mind are the e-book stores that provide you with a personalised copy that includes my name/e-mail, but otherwise leaves the book unprotected.

And that also implies that you give up right of resale.

I can sell a physical book after I have it. I can choose to write my name in there... Or not. Having my name plastered as you indicate is OK, means giving up my own guaranteed rights of resale.

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by tedunangst »

dublinben wrote: post #85
tedunangst wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I say not valid because audio doesn't have DRM anymore, just books, and ripping a book to PDF is more work than I'm inclined to do.

This service [0] will do that for you for as little as $1 a book. [0] http://1dollarscan.com/

More like $6 or $8 really. And at some point, I'd really just rather start reading instead of paying more and waiting two weeks.

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by z3t4 »

kefka wrote: post #86
vidarh wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Second this. While I do occasionally buy Kindle books, I only buy them as long as the DRM is straightforward to remove. The moment they get aggressive about DRM, it'll be the last time I ever buy one. I don't feel strongly enough about it to avoid books I want to read that are only available with DRM, but I do insist on having an unencumbered copy. And when a book is available from a source I know are good about not…

>The only form of "DRM" I don't mind are the e-book stores that provide you with a personalised copy that includes my name/e-mail, but otherwise leaves the book unprotected. And that also implies that you give up right of resale. I can sell a physical book after I have it. I can choose to write my name in there... Or not. Having my name plastered as you indicate is OK, means giving up my own guaranteed rights of resa…

is it not the copyright owners right to allow others to resell or not!?

Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by [deleted] »

mankash666 wrote: post #78

DRM exists to counter piracy. Without DRM, the publishers/authors have to rely on the end customer, who, more often than not, will encourage piracy either by sharing our not buying through official channels The concerns raised are against corporations' clumsy implantations and you have to make your case heard against them.

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Re: Lawsuit could be the beginning of the end for DRM

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Post by kefka »

z3t4 wrote: post #88
kefka wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The only form of "DRM" I don't mind are the e-book stores that provide you with a personalised copy that includes my name/e-mail, but otherwise leaves the book unprotected. And that also implies that you give up right of resale. I can sell a physical book after I have it. I can choose to write my name in there... Or not. Having my name plastered as you indicate is OK, means giving up my own guaranteed rights of resa…

is it not the copyright owners right to allow others to resell or not!?

I absolutely have the right to buy a copy , watch it/read it, and sell it to someone else. First sale doctrine states that.

I don't have the right to make and sell copies. I do certainly have that right for the original.

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