The Hacker's Manifesto (1986) • Hacker News Board

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Post by Karunamon » Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 2:17 PM UTC

objectiveariel wrote: post #6

To me, this manifesto has little more than historical value. It's more an expression of generic adolescent angst rather than of hacker culture. It's a poor "manifesto" too. What exactly are the aims of The Hacker? "Exploring", "Outsmarting you", and "judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like". Platitudes, really, if you set aside the emotional outbursts surrounding them. The Jargon File offer…

It's almost as if ideals and principles are necessarily broad generalizations.

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Post by tempodox » Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 2:19 PM UTC

> we've been spoon-fed baby food at school when we hungered for steak

Still has a familiar ring.

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Post by loydb » Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 2:23 PM UTC

objectiveariel wrote: post #6

To me, this manifesto has little more than historical value. It's more an expression of generic adolescent angst rather than of hacker culture. It's a poor "manifesto" too. What exactly are the aims of The Hacker? "Exploring", "Outsmarting you", and "judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like". Platitudes, really, if you set aside the emotional outbursts surrounding them. The Jargon File offer…

To be fair, I was pretty damn angsty at the time :)

Always exciting to see this pop up someplace new. It's being translated into Polish for a textbook this year as well.

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Post by loydb » Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 2:23 PM UTC

MrMid wrote: post #10

benkarst wrote: post #7

Missed a paren in the title.

Won't compile.

Story of my life.

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Post by noonespecial » Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 2:24 PM UTC

Not really a "manifesto" but I always liked it.

Read more like Maya Angelou's 'Caged Bird'. It's poetry.

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Post by qwertyuiop924 » Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 2:36 PM UTC

objectiveariel wrote: post #6

To me, this manifesto has little more than historical value. It's more an expression of generic adolescent angst rather than of hacker culture. It's a poor "manifesto" too. What exactly are the aims of The Hacker? "Exploring", "Outsmarting you", and "judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like". Platitudes, really, if you set aside the emotional outbursts surrounding them. The Jargon File offer…

Although just to be safe, I'd reccomend going back to an older version of the Jargon File. Around 3.x or so, ESR started poisoning the well, and adding some stuff that definitely doesn't belong, reflective of his ideology.

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Post by ashark » Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 2:37 PM UTC

objectiveariel wrote: post #6

To me, this manifesto has little more than historical value. It's more an expression of generic adolescent angst rather than of hacker culture. It's a poor "manifesto" too. What exactly are the aims of The Hacker? "Exploring", "Outsmarting you", and "judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like". Platitudes, really, if you set aside the emotional outbursts surrounding them. The Jargon File offer…

> We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias

> judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like.

Hm. I may make these parts CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md in my next Github project.

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Post by goldenkey » Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 2:37 PM UTC

tempodox wrote: post #12

> we've been spoon-fed baby food at school when we hungered for steak Still has a familiar ring.

Unfortunately as I study higher level mathematics on my own, I hunger to be in a graduate program where the eagerness to learn and sharing of profundity and boundless energy to crack the truths of pure logic buzz around departments and campuses. It sucks to be in solace with knowledge.

I wish I realized earlier that higher education was far more matched to skills needed for research. I would have majored in math instead of biomedical sciences. Too late now. 3.8GPA, waste of a major and the chance I had to be part of the "scene."

Undergraduate math is much more logical than other majors in actually being useful. Aye. :-(

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Post by goldenkey » Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 2:38 PM UTC

2close4comfort wrote: post #9

It is always good to remember your roots.

Don't forget to Vieta jump!

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Post by zeveb » Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 2:49 PM UTC

ashark wrote: post #17

objectiveariel wrote: post #6

To me, this manifesto has little more than historical value. It's more an expression of generic adolescent angst rather than of hacker culture. It's a poor "manifesto" too. What exactly are the aims of The Hacker? "Exploring", "Outsmarting you", and "judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like". Platitudes, really, if you set aside the emotional outbursts surrounding them. The Jargon File offer…

> We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias > judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. Hm. I may make these parts CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md in my next Github project.

Careful — I don't know if GitHub will want you to refrain from judging people by their skin colour, c.f. http://www.businessinsider.com/github-the-full-inside-story-...