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Re: NPR Website to Get Rid of Comments

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If this is one of the most toxic forums you've come across, you must be very fortunate almost to the point of being sheltered. Not saying this is the best ever, but it's nowhere near the worst. The worst traits on HN seem to be an abundance of nitpicking with some disagreements on a few pet topics. Many other sites have active anti-social posters that abuse users for fun, start flamewars for the "lulz" and will argue…

you're right and wrong. :-) (which is the best kind of right/wrong? haha) what I mean is... I tried to make a subtle point, but it didn't come across. what I was trying to say was this is one of the most toxic sites I've seen for a certain mix of toxic behaviors: mostly passive-aggressive, hyper-nerdy/autism-spectrum types of comments, humblebragging, etc. I agree with you wholeheartedly, from my own experience that…

I mean, when you say:

>>a weird mix of passive aggressiveness, disagree-based-downvoting, "cite paper!"-ness, minutial edge case-oriented pedantry

You are basically describing software developers.

They are passive aggressive because they don't like direct confrontation.

They downvote when they disagree because if they disagree that means you are wrong.

They nitpick on edge cases because edge cases are what they deal with everyday in their code, so they can't help it.

So really, it's not HN you have an issue with, but the developer crowd. ;)

Re: NPR Website to Get Rid of Comments

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> e.g. someone should be able to criticize Elon Musk without being downvoted to hell. I wish downvoting wouldn't be allowed without a "reply" to parent post, that way if I'm being downvoted nonstop I know why. Sometimes I get downvoted like crazy and have no clue as to why. Or even if I guess it doesn't add to the conversation to just shut me out because you disagree without teaching me why. I wonder how HN would be…

> disagree without teaching That is the single most compelling reason, why I find most people (on|off)line disturbing. They just want to drown out dissent without helping other people argumentatively to understand the opposing view. OK, that is probably, because they oftentimes do not have real arguments and haven't rationalized their position at all. Maybe the past paragraph is just me being a misanthrope. Or maybe…

Fixing "disagree without teaching" is tough when you have to do the teaching to thousands of people across as many or more places. I bet people just get burnt out after awhile.

Re: NPR Website to Get Rid of Comments

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You don't agree with it, so it's nonsense. Anything the left doesn't like has to be painted as absurdist. Better downvote him as well, so he can't downvote anyone with leftist views, keep that point distribution strong.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12305958 and marked it off-topic.

Re: NPR Website to Get Rid of Comments

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omginternets we're starting to run into HN flame-war restrictions, and I'm working so apologies if responses come slowly. > How do you think publishers would respond to these counter-points? In my experience 1 and 2 are fine, but 3 is actually a _net negative_ to some of them. People who by and large have come up through 10+ years of paying dues in a 'The patrician editor is always right' culture _hate_ giving up con…

Taboola and Outbrain's recommendations are so pathetically insulting, and the tracking so obvious, that I've both blocked their domains (router DNS server) and specifically set "display:none;" properties on any CSS classes/IDs matching their names or substrings. It's pathetic bottom-feeder crap. Maybe if I fed the beast through tracking, I'd see higher quality recommendations, but I won't, and I don't. They only serv…

I really disagree. Yes, taboola maybe is promoting literally ANY content- even spam. So yes- I blocked them but currently Outbrain is really operating as a content discovery- I didn't find any content the abuses me as a reader. Not Yet. I know that they have strict guidelines as well for their advertisers.

Re: NPR Website to Get Rid of Comments

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omginternets we're starting to run into HN flame-war restrictions, and I'm working so apologies if responses come slowly. > How do you think publishers would respond to these counter-points? In my experience 1 and 2 are fine, but 3 is actually a _net negative_ to some of them. People who by and large have come up through 10+ years of paying dues in a 'The patrician editor is always right' culture _hate_ giving up con…

Taboola and Outbrain's recommendations are so pathetically insulting, and the tracking so obvious, that I've both blocked their domains (router DNS server) and specifically set "display:none;" properties on any CSS classes/IDs matching their names or substrings. It's pathetic bottom-feeder crap. Maybe if I fed the beast through tracking, I'd see higher quality recommendations, but I won't, and I don't. They only serv…

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Re: NPR Website to Get Rid of Comments

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>Hacker News is about the only civil place I'm capable of contributing to a discussion to at this point. the interesting thing about this is that HN comment system seems to discourage dialogue - i.e. you are not notified when someone replies to your comment. It seems to be more geared towards comment-it-and-forget-it.

Yes, and this has always bothered me. There's a chrome extension (Hacker News Enhancement Suite, broken at the moment due to recent HN changes) that made it easier to see your own comments. Since I no longer use the extension, I rarely check for replies. Bums me out.

I use hnreplies.com for this

Re: NPR Website to Get Rid of Comments

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Cons: Requiring comments via Facebook means loss of anonymity. Pros: Requiring comments via Facebook means loss of anonymity. I suppose it depends on what your priorities are. If you'd like the insightful input of someone who might be close to the source of the topic at hand, but maintains anonymity for safety or fear of repercussion, then the requirement to use Facebook could be quite damaging. On the other hand, if…

Site using Facebook for comments usually end up full of horrible spam. Facebook isn't a good solution either. IT's interesting to see how a lot of big websites moved from Discuss to livefyre, I wonder what's wrong with Discuss, livefyre looks like it has fewer features and options.

Possibly price. IIRC, Discus got expensive fast.

Re: NPR Website to Get Rid of Comments

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> e.g. someone should be able to criticize Elon Musk without being downvoted to hell. I wish downvoting wouldn't be allowed without a "reply" to parent post, that way if I'm being downvoted nonstop I know why. Sometimes I get downvoted like crazy and have no clue as to why. Or even if I guess it doesn't add to the conversation to just shut me out because you disagree without teaching me why. I wonder how HN would be…

Also, I think that replies accompanying down-votes should be displayed directly next to the comment as a sort of tag (i.e. you can’t click a down-arrow alone, you have to type out something like “not accurate” or “flame” or “I don’t like his hair” or whatever the reason is) and then the comment appears as: foobar_user 1 hour ago | -1:“not accurate” -1:“flame” -1:“I don’t like his hair”.

Like Slashdot, if you remember that, +1 Insightful etc etc

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Right-libertarian views are generally most popular here - both "conservative" and "liberal" (American definitions of both) views are generally not popular. And god forbid you have views that would be considered slightly left of center in much of the EU.

I think this is pretty true for economic issues, but not for diversity/identity politics/social justice. On those issues, the HN-hivemind is pretty solidly leftist (though not to the extremes of some corners of the web).

And there is a threat of a #hnwatch brigading to enforce it
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