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If there was say a more market based price tier and that tier to Obamacare was made up of both US Federal workers plans and State workers plans than there would be a huge amount of healthy people in the whole group and private ins co's would be striving to be part of ObamaCare as their costs than would not exceed their revenues.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
i couldn't in any good conscience support single-payer or socialized medicine it's the same economic model that created breadlines
Can you elaborate on this reasoning?
what people really want when they push for socialized medicine is equality over improvement.
envy holds us back so much.
Good. Block their deal, let them drop out of obamacare, and then give us the Single Payer that we've always deserved and watch those fuckers go bankrupt like they've always deserved.
i couldn't in any good conscience support single-payer or socialized medicine it's the same economic model that created breadlines
Can anyone succinctly explain the benefits of having a market for private health insurance companies, rather than a single provider of health insurance (government, aka "public option")? Can a capitalist case be made for their existence? Does the lack of a large private insurance market in countries with government-provided health insurance cause lots of inefficiencies and waste?
Health care is done by the Provinces in Canada, with transfers from the Federal Government to help out. The most recent Alberta budget[0] puts the cost of health care at about $20B. This represents approximately 40% of Alberta government spending.
Is that due to waste or inefficiencies? I honestly have no idea. I just know that it's a big number.
Another thing to keep in mind is that, at least in Canada, the government provides some base amount of health services, but there are still other things that aren't covered. In Alberta, someone might go to the ER for a severe asthma attack and that's covered, but the prescriptions to keep the asthma under control are paid for out of pocket or from a benefit plan (which could be an individual plan or through an employer). Similarly, dental is not covered, but may be covered under a benefit plan.
[0] http://finance.alberta.ca/publications/budget/budget2016/fis...
Good. Block their deal, let them drop out of obamacare, and then give us the Single Payer that we've always deserved and watch those fuckers go bankrupt like they've always deserved.
i couldn't in any good conscience support single-payer or socialized medicine it's the same economic model that created breadlines
Can anyone succinctly explain the benefits of having a market for private health insurance companies, rather than a single provider of health insurance (government, aka "public option")? Can a capitalist case be made for their existence? Does the lack of a large private insurance market in countries with government-provided health insurance cause lots of inefficiencies and waste?
I am not saying that anything was even close to perfect before, but we're seeing the private sector responding to Obamacare - it's not profitable enough or even sustainable in some cases. Now the government wants to block companies from trying to salvage their profits? Yes, consumers are benefitting now, but what happens when there are 2 options left for healthcare in each state?
I think in this case, it's clear that the hybrid Capitalist / Socialist approach is not the way to go. Either the government needs to let health care companies operate the way the market allows them to, or move to a single payer system.
Good. Block their deal, let them drop out of obamacare, and then give us the Single Payer that we've always deserved and watch those fuckers go bankrupt like they've always deserved.
i couldn't in any good conscience support single-payer or socialized medicine it's the same economic model that created breadlines
Can anyone succinctly explain the benefits of having a market for private health insurance companies, rather than a single provider of health insurance (government, aka "public option")? Can a capitalist case be made for their existence? Does the lack of a large private insurance market in countries with government-provided health insurance cause lots of inefficiencies and waste?
The health systems in Europe are not radically different from the US system. The efficiencies of each are difficult to quantify without context. For example, the US invents most of the drugs and medical technology used by the world. Would this still happen if there was more invasive regulation? We can't know.
Besides all of this, think of every other area of the market where the government insinuates itself. Are public schools better than private schools? Almost never. Is the US postal system better than FedEx? Of course not. The government is not a commercial entity. The incentives and influences on it are not conducive to producing quality products at good prices.
Can anyone succinctly explain the benefits of having a market for private health insurance companies, rather than a single provider of health insurance (government, aka "public option")? Can a capitalist case be made for their existence? Does the lack of a large private insurance market in countries with government-provided health insurance cause lots of inefficiencies and waste?
that wouldn't happen. since it's monopolism. You would end up in a system like germany. And at the moment these "public" health insurance companies raising their fee's every year. Not better than having private ones, since their regulators just don't care. They praise their reduces with taxes but they don't care if everything else got higher we still end up in a loss.