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With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by jessaustin »

tobias3 wrote: post #37
joering2 wrote: post #13

Microsoft paid $10k [1] to one single count of this deceiving practice and decided to settle not to pursue further. Me and my young children see Transvaginal Mesh Implants class action lawsuit invitation few times a day for probably a year now on multitude of national TV stations. When will some tech-literate lawyer start gathering evidence to file a class action lawsuit over what MS just did?? [1] http://www.theverg…

The EULA you agree to during Windows 10 installation prohibits class action lawsuits, but Windows 7 should be fair game...

I support some computers that auto-updated to 10, and everyone with access to them swears they never hit "OK" in the week leading up to that auto-update. Did the EULA just flash up on the screen at 2 AM?

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by jakebasile »

cwyers wrote: post #54
oz wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>but there should be an "I'm not a normie" switch somewhere... Which will then summarily be used by malware authors and we're back we started.

I wish I could upvote this about 30 times. For every real Windows security expert slash power user in the wild, there's about 30 pimple-encrusted besotted teenagers out there who just want to run some warez on their parent's computer and will click whatever setting, run whatever software and make whatever Registry edits are necessary to get the game their parents won't buy them up and running. The typical home user i…

This is all great, but I am not a typical home user and there is no option for me on the Windows Edition Menu. I can buy Home or Pro, that's it. Pro used to be the "I know what I'm doing" version but this is no longer the case. Enterprise let's you do whatever you want but requires far more investment and effort to run just so that I can control my computer.

Edit to reply to cwyers below me as I cannot reply further:

Do you honestly think that running your own Active Directory system, calling Microsoft Enterprise Sales, arguing with them and probably failing to buy a single Enterprise license, and ultimately buying a pack of Enterprise licenses I do not need is required of me to be "on the same Internet as you"? All I want is close to the level of control I can get on previous versions of Windows which pale in comparison to any Linux distribution. Does this mean that anyone using a Linux distro that doesn't automatically update shouldn't be allowed on your internet? Surely if your computer is always up to date you have nothing to fear?

I am unsure how you are equating me to an anti-vaxxer simply because I want to control how and when my computer updates. I don't believe I ever said I do not ever want an update, I want to know what they are and control when they are applied as is standard on every other OS I know of.

I am also not making any ideological argument to privacy. In fact, I don't care too awful much about the telemetry in Windows 10. I don't really like it but I almost exclusive use my Windows machine for gaming so there isn't much I'm scared of MS finding out about there. I simply want to control how my computer works.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by jasonkostempski »

jakebasile wrote: post #17

I upgraded willingly so the deceptive upgrade practices, while deplorable, didn't really affect me. What does affect me is that Microsoft refuses to let me control my computer. - If you turn off Windows Defender Real Time Protection it explicitly tells you "You can turn this off, but if it's off for a while we'll turn it back on". It turns itself on upon next reboot, it seems. - You can't turn off Windows Update. It…

I see so many people stuck in the gaming situation and there are no practical solutions, the only way out involves an entire industry changing direction together. I'd like to see a video card manufacturer (probably AMD since they seem to be the underdog in a 2 dog fight) start a Linux-first campaign, even if it's only for select cards.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by quantos »

This is the reason why i moved to linux. The path this "new" microsoft have choosen, if they continue to do this, they will certainly lose their market share on PCs in near future and I hope when users will start caring about their rights and privacy, they will move to other OSes.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by sp332 »

kyberias wrote: post #20
0xmohit wrote: post #2

Some highlights: Microsoft installed an app in users’ system trays advertising the free upgrade to Windows 10. Not satisfied, the company eventually made Windows 10 a recommended update so users receiving critical security updates were now also downloading an entirely new operating system onto their machines without their knowledge. This is essentially equivalent to saying: You've been running whatever version of Win…

> Specifically, when prompted with a Windows 10 update, if the > user chose to decline it by hitting the ‘X’ in the upper right > hand corner, Microsoft interpreted that as consent to download > Windows 10. So what? I clicked that X multiple times and it didn't _install_. It may have _downloaded_, I'm not sure, but did not install.

Yeah I think there's a step missing in their description. I think you had to start the install process, then try to cancel out of it by pressing X.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by [deleted] »

EasyTiger_ wrote: post #28
sotojuan wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So all the talk about the "new" Microsoft has been for nothing.

Satya Nadella recently said "We want to move from people needing Windows, to choosing Windows, to loving Windows" He sure is going a strange way about it

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Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by LeoPanthera »

jakebasile wrote: post #17

I upgraded willingly so the deceptive upgrade practices, while deplorable, didn't really affect me. What does affect me is that Microsoft refuses to let me control my computer. - If you turn off Windows Defender Real Time Protection it explicitly tells you "You can turn this off, but if it's off for a while we'll turn it back on". It turns itself on upon next reboot, it seems. - You can't turn off Windows Update. It…

While not defending Microsoft (my first advice would be: don't use Windows), there's a free app called "ShutUp10" that allows you to fix almost everything in your list above.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by ashark »

ghostly_s wrote: post #47
sjm-lbm wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I buy a computer and/or pay Microsoft money, I think it's reasonable for me to expect my computer to do what I'd like it to do (and only what I'd like it to do). The problem isn't data-driven design, it's how the data is being collected. I'd be annoyed if my home builder occasionally came through my house while I was gone in an attempt to analyze how I was arranging furniture and using my space. They could, undoub…

I don't understand why you think you're entitled to that expectation. If you don't like what Windows does, buy an OS from someone else.

My guess is you disagree with the notion that it's a legitimate role of government to set and enforce standards for various market products. That's fine, but if you truly don't understand why someone might hold that position (distinct from agreeing with it) then frankly the kind of reading you need to do to gain that understanding isn't likely to materialize in response to barbed comments on Internet message boards.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by jakebasile »

jrapdx3 wrote: post #46
jakebasile wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely understand why this is the default behavior, but there should be an "I'm not a normie" switch somewhere that allows me to control my experience. The Pro edition was originally that way, but as I understand it this is no longer the case and is similarly controlling.

Long story, but my Surface Pro 2 wound up with Win10 Pro. The Pro version is slightly more configurable for privacy than Home, but only the Enterprise version can completely turn off the telemetry and so on. Of course Enterprise is not easily available to end-users and it is expensive. There are some utilities available that are supposed to improve the privacy/security of Win10 installations, e.g., [0]. My wife kept…

Yes I'm strongly considering downgrading to 8.1. It's time for a fresh install anyways. I dread when that goes EOL because I'll have no where else to turn but whatever Windows is out at the time.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by emodendroket »

jakebasile wrote: post #17

I upgraded willingly so the deceptive upgrade practices, while deplorable, didn't really affect me. What does affect me is that Microsoft refuses to let me control my computer. - If you turn off Windows Defender Real Time Protection it explicitly tells you "You can turn this off, but if it's off for a while we'll turn it back on". It turns itself on upon next reboot, it seems. - You can't turn off Windows Update. It…

> - They are continuing to try to weasel the Windows Store into my life by buying up or forcing exclusives (games), with all the drawbacks of UWP.

A neat trick is if you download something from the Windows App store and sign in for the first time without using an MSN account to log into your PC, it will ask you something like "Do you want to use this login with all Microsoft services?" And if you say yes then your login is converted to the MSN account, which you won't realize until you next need to log in.

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