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Re: NPR Website to Get Rid of Comments

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With all the sites getting rid of comments. I wonder if a market is opening for something like hackernews in other niches ?

> I wonder if a market is opening for something like hackernews in other niches ?

... or perhaps for a browser plugin that allows comments on any web page.

Re: NPR Website to Get Rid of Comments

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Their left leaning narrative can't take facts at this point. The sheer amount of lean really comes out of their choice of what to cover. They know it's easy to just offload comments onto another service. Any news source w/o comments is basically propaganda at this point.

This is exactly the type of nonsense comments they're trying to avoid.

Re: NPR Website to Get Rid of Comments

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Their left leaning narrative can't take facts at this point. The sheer amount of lean really comes out of their choice of what to cover. They know it's easy to just offload comments onto another service. Any news source w/o comments is basically propaganda at this point.

News articles involve editorial intent, discretion, and several rounds of "filters". Comments sections largely do not, which is why they generally devolve into just arguments. Only with heavily-moderated communities that impose those filters (like Hacker News, or the NYTimes, as the article mentions) can you have any substantive commentary.

It's easy to hitch an underrepresented and specifically suppressed view (like white nationalism, anti-semitism, sexism) into the comments section as a means of piggy-backing off the visibility of the main article. Given that some people go out of their way to ignore the actual content as a means of furthering their underrepresented message means that the comments section is being used to short-circuit the moderation loop most journalistic publications go through.

Re: NPR Website to Get Rid of Comments

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That's a shame, one of my favorite comments ever on a news site is from NPR: http://www.npr.org/sections/monkeysee/2012/10/05/162383428/m...

That said, it's hard to imagine fixing the problems that news organizations have with comments when you're tied to Disqus, which doesn't seem to give publishers the efficiency and control they desire.

Re: NPR Website to Get Rid of Comments

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Their left leaning narrative can't take facts at this point. The sheer amount of lean really comes out of their choice of what to cover. They know it's easy to just offload comments onto another service. Any news source w/o comments is basically propaganda at this point.

Out of curiosity, what are your trusted news sources?

Re: NPR Website to Get Rid of Comments

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> The conclusion: NPR's commenting system — which gets more expensive the more comments that are posted, and in some months has cost NPR twice what was budgeted — is serving a very, very small slice of its overall audience.

If this was the extent of their analysis (the article doesn't say), shame on them. People reading the comments should count too.

Re: NPR Website to Get Rid of Comments

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I see comment moderation as one of the 'unsolved problems' left in this generation of the web. When I worked at Foreign Policy we worked hard to integrate new commenting tools and encourage power users, but we were just buried by the threats, spam, and low-value noise.

Web technology scales, journalism scales (poorly, but a relatively small publication can pull big traffic), but right now there's just no substitute for someone at manually checking out reported comments and banning problem users. When you have a site with as much traffic as NPR, that would probably take dozens or hundreds, and these orgs are loathe to outsource it to cheap countries like the big web players do, mostly due to the ethical challenges.

Maybe moving comments to people's own social groups on FB/Twitter will help to defray the costs, I don't think they're really seeing any discussion value for the most part.

Re: NPR Website to Get Rid of Comments

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post #9

Their left leaning narrative can't take facts at this point. The sheer amount of lean really comes out of their choice of what to cover. They know it's easy to just offload comments onto another service. Any news source w/o comments is basically propaganda at this point.

Comments are a propaganda tool at this point. Commentary is bought and sold to support whatever narrative the purchaser wants.

The same can be said of HackerNews comments. I'd imagine that it's a given that Reddit is gamed via comments and submissions, but is it a given that HN comments have similar value?

Re: NPR Website to Get Rid of Comments

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Their argument is bogus. It's either cost or a laziness in moderation. The ability to discuss specific articles and topics regarding specific source material is valuable. Having to search for the hashtag or article link on reddit or twitter to try to debate a topic is much, much less engaging, and is much more separated from the NPR writers and ombudsmen.

They readily acknowledge that cost is a major factor in the decision:

> The conclusion: NPR's commenting system — which gets more expensive the more comments that are posted, and in some months has cost NPR twice what was budgeted — is serving a very, very small slice of its overall audience.

Re: NPR Website to Get Rid of Comments

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Their left leaning narrative can't take facts at this point. The sheer amount of lean really comes out of their choice of what to cover. They know it's easy to just offload comments onto another service. Any news source w/o comments is basically propaganda at this point.

This is exactly the type of nonsense comments they're trying to avoid.

Yes, the truth does have a way of ruining a narrative...
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