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Cisco to lay off about 14,000 employees

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Re: Cisco to lay off about 14,000 employees

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What's so bad about OpenStack?

The Vision: a community-managed set of integrated tools that let you create a featureful cloud on hardware you control. The Reality: a bunch of python scripts everyone forks.. committee politics...frustration OpenStack is a great example of going "community" before the problem is well understood or there is a solution people trust. It's basically a tire fire at this point and most of the community participants are ma…

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Re: Cisco to lay off about 14,000 employees

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Let's just say the average salary is 70k which is very conservative. That is 14k * 70k annually lost from the local community, a grand total of 980M or let's just say 1 billion annually. Looking for another job when there are massive cuts like this also degrades the salary they accept on their next job because of the competition. I wish companies, if possible, throttled layoffs a bit more instead of large chunks like…

> I wish companies, if possible, throttled layoffs a bit more instead of large chunks like this,

When you amputate a limb, you want to do it as quickly as possible.

Re: Cisco to lay off about 14,000 employees

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The software will run on inexpensive dumb hardware from whitelabel manufacturers such as Quanta computers. The secret sauce in hardware that gave Cisco big margins is increasingly replaced by software that is good enough (e.g. You can use SDN controller and a cheap switch hardware to replace very expensive Cisco stuff). The trend in Enterprises and telcos is to use cloud (AWS, GCE, Azure,...) and open source (aka Fac…

> all new deployments must be on Openstack you have my sympathies

I tried to use OpenStack 4 years in our new PaaS product. I ended up pulling it and using the regular, well baked tools built into our managed hardware. I see much hasn't changed in those intervening years.

Re: Cisco to lay off about 14,000 employees

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Let's just say the average salary is 70k which is very conservative. That is 14k * 70k annually lost from the local community, a grand total of 980M or let's just say 1 billion annually. Looking for another job when there are massive cuts like this also degrades the salary they accept on their next job because of the competition. I wish companies, if possible, throttled layoffs a bit more instead of large chunks like…

> I wish companies, if possible, throttled layoffs a bit more instead of large chunks like this, When you amputate a limb, you want to do it as quickly as possible.

> When you amputate a limb, you want to do it as quickly as possible.

When you throw the bathwater out, make sure you aren't loosing valuable resources.

the best case scenario is to be really smart and constantly drain the bathwater such that the baby doesn't even notice the level dropping. Keeping the baby focused on the new shiny thing helps.

Re: Cisco to lay off about 14,000 employees

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Additionally, being laid off usually results in at least a respectable severance package. Being fired generally means you only get the minimum legally owed to you.

It also effects your ability to find work. Being laid off can be completely out of your hands and isn't always something that works against you.

There is no stigma attached to getting laid off, at least not when interviewing at anywhere sane. People understand that it just happens sometime.

Re: Cisco to lay off about 14,000 employees

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> I wish companies, if possible, throttled layoffs a bit more instead of large chunks like this, When you amputate a limb, you want to do it as quickly as possible.

> When you amputate a limb, you want to do it as quickly as possible. When you throw the bathwater out, make sure you aren't loosing valuable resources. the best case scenario is to be really smart and constantly drain the bathwater such that the baby doesn't even notice the level dropping. Keeping the baby focused on the new shiny thing helps.

You mean stack ranking? LOL that doesn't work out how you want it to either...

Re: Cisco to lay off about 14,000 employees

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It goes to the stock owners pockets, not lost.

And they keep that money in their pocket, do they? On a personal level, this sucks for those Cisco employees. But it's weird that the land of disruption advocates "wasting" money on unneeded labour. There isn't much sympathy for the taxi drivers Uber is harming.

They keep it in an offshore tax haven, often.

Re: Cisco to lay off about 14,000 employees

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I live down the street from Cisco HQ. I share an apartment building with many of their engineers. Perhaps it is anecdotal, and my evidence comes purely from speaking with them (I have never seen their work), but they come across as absolutely terrible as software engineers. They seem like the kind of company destroying people that are the death knell of every software giant. They have no care for the product, good pr…

I have looked at Android code. It is awful. Now, I don't form opinions about Google engineers based just on that code. I meant to say, generalizations don't always work well. They may have bad engineers. But they have great engineers too. Kent Dybvig and his team who wrote Chez Scheme works for Cisco. There are many others. Jonathan Rosenberg who wrote many Internet RFCs on fundamental protocols that run the Internet…

Not disagreeing that they have very talented people. But I would not point to the SIP RFCs as commendable work in any way. It's a mess.

Re: Cisco to lay off about 14,000 employees

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I'm sure they have some good engineers. However, I will say that friends who work there currently and those who have worked there in the past constantly raved about how little they actually have to work and how empty the office is on Fridays among other aspects that give the impression that much isn't expected from their engineers. When you buy practically any competitor and control the margins like Cisco was able to…

The margins in particular are something I cannot understand from Cisco. Technology in general comes down in pricing. I'm constantly amazed at the vendors that introduce newer, more powerful product lines, with a reduced price tag from anything previously seen. Cisco here, are a huge outlier. Despite HPE and Juniper creeping much more competitive options into their enterprise space, twice or so times a year we get ale…

Maybe it's like MS and SQL Server. More and more installs are getting replaced. So they raise prices to focus on their customers that have no choice.

Re: Cisco to lay off about 14,000 employees

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And they keep that money in their pocket, do they? On a personal level, this sucks for those Cisco employees. But it's weird that the land of disruption advocates "wasting" money on unneeded labour. There isn't much sympathy for the taxi drivers Uber is harming.

They keep it in an offshore tax haven, often.

So I own stock in most large companies through index funds. I want to someday retire and the government won't/ can't provide for me to life up to my standards. No offshore tax haven here.
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