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I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor

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Re: I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor

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Post by zasz »

TillE wrote: post #10
zasz wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found this Wired article: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c... Basically, multiple women accused Jake Applebaum, a big shot in the Tor community, of sexually assaulting them, and his ex-girlfriend (the OP) was made into a pariah for defending him. For what it's worth, if the accusations are true, it's not improbable that he would've refrained from being an ass to his ex-girlfriend. Brock…

> it's not improbable that he would've refrained from being an ass to his ex-girlfriend That's not what she says: "Still, I do have a weird feeling about many of these stories because they contain facts I know are wrong" Remember that time a couple people accused Appelbaum of sexually harrassing a woman, and then she said that's not what happened at all? Yeah. The sad thing is that I'm fairly confident that most of t…

I'm responding to the part in her email where she said Jake was a great guy who had always treated her right.

Re: I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor

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Post by mindslight »

bitwize wrote: post #13

Yeah, and Camille Cosby stands by Bill. Hillary Clinton also stood by her husband, even though he criminally lied about the Lewinsky affair and has a long list of sexual liaisons some of which may cross the line into assault. Accept it: your ex-bf is a dick and everyone he was a dick to has a right to be pissed.

What a politically correct way to dismiss a woman's opinion!

Re: I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor

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Post by throwaway6549 »

PuffinBlue wrote: post #2

If anyone could take the time to break down what this is about and why it's significant for those like me who are very out of the loop I'm sure we'd appreciate it.

TOR developer gets accused of being a rapist in order to kick him out. Is he really a rapist or is this just the same playbook used against Assange and warned of by ESR? Regardless, there's nothing but he said/she said and tons of anonymous slander (on the accusing side).

Re: I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor

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Post by throvwawvay »

parfe wrote: post #7

I read the whole drama bomb which could be a high school aged spat as easily as the adults involved in the Tor project, but this stood out: >To be clear I believe Jake has hurt people (which he has admitted himself) and didn't respect people's boundaries. I do not believe he is a rapist or a harasser and I am wondering what the people who started this campaign are trying to achieve. Admitting he's abusive and ignores…

I can see it now, two co-workers complaining that the boss is being abusive, demanding unpaid overtime and ignoring boundaries for what should be a healthy work environment. The boss completely raped them.

Wouldn't it be nice if the company created an public attack site and force the boss and any family they might have into permanent hiding, even go as far as attack their home? Maybe do a campaign to have the boss and family cut off from any social environment, and make sure to teach any past friends that they can either chose to join the mob or be cut out too. Reminds me of certain type of religious groups that have concept of "shunning"...

Re: I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor

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Post by red_blobs »

zorpner wrote: post #28
rjzzleep wrote: post #22

What we're doing in tech right now is extremely dangerous. We're mixing political correctness over fact finding (i.e. what she said as first shoot then ask) with technical competency. Remember when we shot Brendan Eich and replaced him with a marketing dude and then wondered why Firefox is suddenly driven by marketing decisions? The boundaries are pretty(I say pretty, because even here countries opinions differ) clea…

Don't be ridiculous. Eich couldn't be CEO if for no other reason than that he didn't have a narrative ready for when people brought up his donation to a controversial cause. Seriously basic PR, and he wasn't up for it. No CEO. It's the same reason Yarvin can't run a technical organization -- not because he's not technically competent (he isn't, but that's a different conversation), but because he can't help himself f…

"That's on them, and every time you feel oppressed by "political correctness" a dozen or more people are feeling like they can participate safely for the first time."

So you oppress hundreds and thousands for their personal beliefs in exchange for a dozen or more people to feel better? This isn't my idea of freedom.

What we really need next is political diversity: Companies should be required to hire people with diverse political opinions.

It would never happen because it doesn't extend and enhance the left-leaning narratives that are destroying society with emotion, mob-rule, bullying, and lies and completely disregarding statistics and facts.

"It's not hard to do good technical work, but apparently it's quite difficult for these particular white men to manage without funding/advocating/practicing bigotry and sexism"

Eich isn't sexist nor a bigot. Just because you don't agree with gay marriage doesn't mean you hate all gays and/or are bigoted towards them. I find it ironic that you have prejudice against an entire group of people while at the same time making the argument that we need to be less prejudice.

I also remember reading Facebook during this time: The amount of bigoted comments and bullying toward anyone religious was astounding..and nobody lost their job over it.

It's because it's not really about freedom, it's about taking power and control and oppressing another group of people.

Re: I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor

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Post by toomuchtodo »

zorpner wrote: post #28
rjzzleep wrote: post #22

What we're doing in tech right now is extremely dangerous. We're mixing political correctness over fact finding (i.e. what she said as first shoot then ask) with technical competency. Remember when we shot Brendan Eich and replaced him with a marketing dude and then wondered why Firefox is suddenly driven by marketing decisions? The boundaries are pretty(I say pretty, because even here countries opinions differ) clea…

Don't be ridiculous. Eich couldn't be CEO if for no other reason than that he didn't have a narrative ready for when people brought up his donation to a controversial cause. Seriously basic PR, and he wasn't up for it. No CEO. It's the same reason Yarvin can't run a technical organization -- not because he's not technically competent (he isn't, but that's a different conversation), but because he can't help himself f…

> Don't blame an increasingly inclusive and considerate culture for the continued incompetence of a bigoted few.

Don't confuse political correctness with tolerance. You might feel its more inclusive, but everyone still has a bias, even if its unconscious.

I'll think less of you if you believe in a religion, but I won't treat you differently outwardly for it.

EDIT: Also, I'm old school. I might not agree with you, but I will protect your right to free speech to the death, no matter how abhorrent it is (again, I do not have to agree with you to protect your rights). We are judged how we defend other's rights when we're in violent disagreement with them.

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Post by mejari »

zasz wrote: post #29
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that's not a very impartial summary.

It's pretty fair. Everything in that summary is a fact.

Only presenting facts doesn't make something fair. Deciding which facts to present can affect a statement's fairness.

Re: I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor

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Post by zorpner »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #37
zorpner wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't be ridiculous. Eich couldn't be CEO if for no other reason than that he didn't have a narrative ready for when people brought up his donation to a controversial cause. Seriously basic PR, and he wasn't up for it. No CEO. It's the same reason Yarvin can't run a technical organization -- not because he's not technically competent (he isn't, but that's a different conversation), but because he can't help himself f…

> Don't blame an increasingly inclusive and considerate culture for the continued incompetence of a bigoted few. Don't confuse political correctness with tolerance. You might feel its more inclusive, but everyone still has a bias, even if its unconscious. I'll think less of you if you believe in a religion, but I won't treat you differently outwardly for it. EDIT: Also, I'm old school. I might not agree with you, but…

I feel like we might be talking past each other -- conscious vs. unconscious bias is a complex issue worth discussing, but is only tangentially related to complaints about political correctness, which are all demands not for free speech, but for consequence-free speech.

I am also intensely pro-free speech. As a concrete example, I am in favor of the right of people to discuss their displeasure with someone's (freely!) stated views, and to use that speech to encourage organizations to not give a platform to views they find abhorrent.

Re: I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor

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Post by toomuchtodo »

zorpner wrote: post #39
toomuchtodo wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don't blame an increasingly inclusive and considerate culture for the continued incompetence of a bigoted few. Don't confuse political correctness with tolerance. You might feel its more inclusive, but everyone still has a bias, even if its unconscious. I'll think less of you if you believe in a religion, but I won't treat you differently outwardly for it. EDIT: Also, I'm old school. I might not agree with you, but…

I feel like we might be talking past each other -- conscious vs. unconscious bias is a complex issue worth discussing, but is only tangentially related to complaints about political correctness, which are all demands not for free speech, but for consequence-free speech. I am also intensely pro-free speech. As a concrete example, I am in favor of the right of people to discuss their displeasure with someone's (freely!…

I don't think we are. My thesis is simple: everyone is biased, and we all need to tolerate each other. You can have your views, as long as your decisions are transparent when scrutinized by others to ensure your views (which others might consider abhorrent) did not come into play.

You don't want to take the pitchforks from one group, and hand them to the other.

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