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Nvidia stuffs desktop GTX 1080, 1070, 1060 into laptops, drops the “M”

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Post by lewisl9029 »

xchaotic wrote: post #70
lewisl9029 wrote: post #65

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Thank you for that very informative write up! Very glad to hear the tech basically just works. I hadn't bothered to look up the dimensions and weight on the Razer Core until you mentioned it though, and realized it's barely any more convenient to move around than my current desktop PC case (SilverStone FTZ01, only about 150mm more in a single dimension), which removes a lot of the appeal it had for my use case, unfor…

I also appreciate the review, but I think it's a case of too little, too late and too expensive. For that price you can simply build a spare HTPC in a box of similar size or get a powerful laptop with good GPU built-in.

The problem with either of those setups is you don't get the flexibility of being able to use the same portable, quiet and power-efficient laptop for both work on the go and for gaming at home, so you never have to worry about keeping things in sync between multiple machines (which is easy enough if you just need files, but often impossible if you also want to sync arbitrary settings for frequently used applications).

For many people like myself, the TB3 laptop + GPU dock combo is worth a lot more than the sum of its parts.

Re: Nvidia stuffs desktop GTX 1080, 1070, 1060 into laptops, drops the “M”

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Post by pjmlp »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #69
pjmlp wrote: post #56

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You have some outdated information. Although Apple created OpenCL and gave it to Khronos, they have the most outdated support for OpenCL. The future on Apple platforms is called Metal compute. There were around 6 Metal talks at WWDC 2016 and zero about Khronos technologies.

How does that impact the AMD vs. Nvidia part of the discussion?

It doesn't matter which cards are better at OpenCL, because it is a legacy technology on Apple platforms, most likely to never be updated beyond the current version 1.2 (latest is 2.2).

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT202823

Apple develops their own drivers for Metal Compute.

Re: Nvidia stuffs desktop GTX 1080, 1070, 1060 into laptops, drops the “M”

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Post by FlyingAvatar »

Narishma wrote: post #47
moobsen wrote: post #44

"Gears of War 4 looks amazing in 4K" Why would you put a 1.920px × 1.080px screenshot next to that? 4K = 4096 × 2160 Pixel

When people talk about 4K they usually mean (whether they know it or not) UHDTV, which is the standard used in consumer monitors and TVs and in which 4K = 3840x2160.

I think his point was the screenshot was regular HD, not even UHDTV resolution.

Re: Nvidia stuffs desktop GTX 1080, 1070, 1060 into laptops, drops the “M”

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Post by soylentcola »

catpolice wrote: post #54

"And if you can make it look like it's for grown ups too, that'd be great." THIS. I'm not going to buy a laptop that looks like a prop from a Michael Bay movie. The best current option for a laptop with a GPU and a design that wouldn't be embarrassing to leave the house with is the Microsoft Surface Book, which is expensive, has a mediocre GPU and is actually still kind of embarrassing to own. I'm pretty excited abou…

I dunno. I've had decent luck with Asus laptops that are at least somewhat gaming-capable. They've still got the same M-class GPUs you'd expect (outside of these eXXXtreme or external options) but you're still looking at a standard brushed aluminum chassis (maybe a plastic base depending on model), i5 or i7, 16GB of RAM, SSD, and $1000-1500 price tag.

Not exactly cheap but certainly not in the same range as the GPU-laden Surface Books. I picked one of the Asus notebooks up a couple years ago when I needed something for occasional use (so I didn't want to go all out on budget) that could still handle some graphics work and live projection visuals which typically need OpenGL support past what you find in an iGPU.

It's not as thin and light as an ultrabook or tablet/convertible but that's the flipside of powerful and not too expensive. Maybe if it was my main or only machine I'd have gone higher end and higher price but there's definitely some options in between the crappy $600-800 general purpose laptops and the $2000-3500 Decepticons and fancy detachable tablet offerings.

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Post by moobsen »

FlyingAvatar wrote: post #73
Narishma wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When people talk about 4K they usually mean (whether they know it or not) UHDTV, which is the standard used in consumer monitors and TVs and in which 4K = 3840x2160.

I think his point was the screenshot was regular HD, not even UHDTV resolution.

Yes, sorry if that was not clear. Just made me question every "4K" mentioned in the article.

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Post by izym »

catpolice wrote: post #54

"And if you can make it look like it's for grown ups too, that'd be great." THIS. I'm not going to buy a laptop that looks like a prop from a Michael Bay movie. The best current option for a laptop with a GPU and a design that wouldn't be embarrassing to leave the house with is the Microsoft Surface Book, which is expensive, has a mediocre GPU and is actually still kind of embarrassing to own. I'm pretty excited abou…

I can highly recommend the Dell XPS 15. I too was in the market for a laptop with a mediocre GPU, which didn't look absolutely terrible, was affordable and not too bad on the whole portability thing. So far it has definitely lived up to my expectations.

I can recommend getting the 1080p version (but not the entry-level model, as that one has a smaller battery and no discrete GPU), unless 4K is very important to you and you know what you're getting into wrt. high-res scaling in Windows.

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Post by mastazi »

audreyt wrote: post #62
mastazi wrote: post #28

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Well you can always get a laptop with a liquid cooling dock! :-D https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/ROG-GX800VH/

That setup actually works really well; its predecessor GX700 was one of the few previous-gen laptops that can drive HTC Vive _and_ Oculus Rift (adapters required) at the same time. https://plus.google.com/+AudreyTang/posts/VGebgzXnefP

> That setup actually works really well

I'm sure it does, and I wasn't suggesting otherwise! The new version (the one I linked) has dual GTX1080 in SLI so I'm sure it's a beast, and the liquid cooling docking station is actually very ingenious. I was just amused by how unconventional it is, given the current tendency towards ultra-thin and/or convertible laptops

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Post by [deleted] »

audreyt wrote: post #62
mastazi wrote: post #28

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Well you can always get a laptop with a liquid cooling dock! :-D https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/ROG-GX800VH/

That setup actually works really well; its predecessor GX700 was one of the few previous-gen laptops that can drive HTC Vive _and_ Oculus Rift (adapters required) at the same time. https://plus.google.com/+AudreyTang/posts/VGebgzXnefP

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Post by serge2k »

devonkim wrote: post #67
catpolice wrote: post #54

"And if you can make it look like it's for grown ups too, that'd be great." THIS. I'm not going to buy a laptop that looks like a prop from a Michael Bay movie. The best current option for a laptop with a GPU and a design that wouldn't be embarrassing to leave the house with is the Microsoft Surface Book, which is expensive, has a mediocre GPU and is actually still kind of embarrassing to own. I'm pretty excited abou…

I don't see how much room for design there is on a Surface book besides the keyboard dock assembly, but even that looks pretty spartan with clean lines and a rather pale gray that could be mistaken for an Apple laptop from the Aluminum Powerbook era. So I don't know what's embarrassing about it except for, contentiously, the monochrome Microsoft logo attached to it.

The surface book is one of the few that isn't embarassing.

Most of the gaming laptops are big plastic bricks with red LEDs everywhere .

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Post by ddalex »

FreeFull wrote: post #51
jsheard wrote: post #31

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Tom's Hardware nicely demonstrated the non-linearity of power consumption in their desktop GTX1060 review: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-... At factory settings the card draws 120W and pushes ~110fps in their 1440p test, but throttling the power limit down to just 60W only reduced it to ~90fps. (As an aside, the AMD RX480 comparison shows why people are disappointed with Apple supposedly…

Do consider that fps itself is non-linear, and the linear equivalent is the inverse (milliseconds per frame)

in which world the inverse of a linear function is not a linear function ?
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