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Re: There’s a $200k reward for anyone who proves Microsoft ripped off MS-DOS source

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I don't understand.

"like a little girl" Why not like a little boy? Because Joel thinks women are weaker then men, obviously.

My gut is that it shows a lack of phrase turning expertise, but admits the possibility that converse could be true. To put it another way, I suspect it's more likely an example of poor writing rather than a well honed expository detail.

Doesn't change it's effects.

Re: There’s a $200k reward for anyone who proves Microsoft ripped off MS-DOS source

#52

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I don't understand.

"like a little girl" Why not like a little boy? Because Joel thinks women are weaker then men, obviously.

> Because Joel thinks women are weaker then men, obviously.

Well no or, maybe he does, but you can't infer that from this. What he is referring to is the tendency of little girls to like, OMG, get super excited and make squeally noises.

As a parent of both sexes and having refereed birthday parties for both I can safely say that his analogy was fair and wouldn't have worked if he had said "little boy". Of course, if he had run around the meeting room, screaming at the top of his lungs, trying to break furniture, then he had indeed picked the wrong gender.

Re: There’s a $200k reward for anyone who proves Microsoft ripped off MS-DOS source

#53

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I don't understand.

"like a little girl" Why not like a little boy? Because Joel thinks women are weaker then men, obviously.

It might be more charitable to assume that it's a reference to the perception that women are more emotional. I'm not saying that perception is valid or invalid but it's certainly more neutral than "women are weaker than men".

That said it could be an artifact of a time where it was acceptable to say that kind of stuff. Like watching old movies reading old articles can be a bit jarring at times. But getting upset with someone for posting it to support a point is unfair.

Re: There’s a $200k reward for anyone who proves Microsoft ripped off MS-DOS source

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"like a little girl" Why not like a little boy? Because Joel thinks women are weaker then men, obviously.

It might be more charitable to assume that it's a reference to the perception that women are more emotional. I'm not saying that perception is valid or invalid but it's certainly more neutral than "women are weaker than men". That said it could be an artifact of a time where it was acceptable to say that kind of stuff. Like watching old movies reading old articles can be a bit jarring at times. But getting upset with…

> It might be more charitable to assume that it's a reference to the perception that women are more emotional. I'm not saying that perception is valid or invalid but it's certainly more neutral than "women are weaker than men".

How is the idea that women are "more emotional" than men "more neutral" than the idea that "women are weaker than men".

Re: There’s a $200k reward for anyone who proves Microsoft ripped off MS-DOS source

#55

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It might be more charitable to assume that it's a reference to the perception that women are more emotional. I'm not saying that perception is valid or invalid but it's certainly more neutral than "women are weaker than men". That said it could be an artifact of a time where it was acceptable to say that kind of stuff. Like watching old movies reading old articles can be a bit jarring at times. But getting upset with…

> It might be more charitable to assume that it's a reference to the perception that women are more emotional. I'm not saying that perception is valid or invalid but it's certainly more neutral than "women are weaker than men". How is the idea that women are "more emotional" than men "more neutral" than the idea that "women are weaker than men".

Hoping this doesn't turn the thread into a male/female thing...

Assuming that your question is meant in good faith, here's an example. I have two sons. One is extremely emotional, far more so than his brother was at that age. He cries over minor incidents, take small slights to heart, gets upset easily, etc. His teacher describes him as "feeling things very deeply."

However, he is also extremely bright and very strong willed. Even at a young age, we can already see that he is not the type of person who will allow himself to be taken advantage of. Despite his sometimes irritating emotionality, there is simply no way I could ever characterize him as weak.

Does that help?

Re: There’s a $200k reward for anyone who proves Microsoft ripped off MS-DOS source

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Bill Gates licensed something called QDOS which was made by Tim Paterson at Seattle Computer Products, which Tim had designed to mimick CP/M's API.

I heard somewhere that he bought a CP/M manual at RadioShack and based much of his work off of that.

IIRC, a lot, if not all, of CP/M was written in PL/M, but the 8086 was designed to make porting assembly code from the 8080/8085 easy, so, I'd assume a disassembly would be easy to automatically port to a 8086/8088. If there is some Easter egg Kildall left it was, probably, in those syscall identifiers. Are they discontinuous or something like that?

Re: There’s a $200k reward for anyone who proves Microsoft ripped off MS-DOS source

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It's "Kildall". And he hasn't been doing anything for quite some time. He died in the 90's.

Thanks, I fixed the spelling. Though it doesn't really matter what he has been doing recently, my point is that there was no lawsuit back in the '80s when he was alive, so we can safely assume he had no proof of actual infringement. Furthermore, we can infer that what Kildall claimed was "Infringements of CP/M's copyrights" was something more along the lines of what google and oracle are now having massive legal batt…

Possibly, but I would assume that he was referring to fairly unique features of CP/M, code that was never released under a free license, that were mimicked by QDOS in order to make it easier to port software to it, or, maybe, because they were a genuinely useful idea. At that time, the separation of of portable and non portable parts of an OS (CP/M ran on very different and fairly incompatible machines) was quite remarkable and, maybe, worth fighting for. Unfortunately, Kildall had other demons to fight.

Re: There’s a $200k reward for anyone who proves Microsoft ripped off MS-DOS source

#58

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> It might be more charitable to assume that it's a reference to the perception that women are more emotional. I'm not saying that perception is valid or invalid but it's certainly more neutral than "women are weaker than men". How is the idea that women are "more emotional" than men "more neutral" than the idea that "women are weaker than men".

Hoping this doesn't turn the thread into a male/female thing... Assuming that your question is meant in good faith, here's an example. I have two sons. One is extremely emotional, far more so than his brother was at that age. He cries over minor incidents, take small slights to heart, gets upset easily, etc. His teacher describes him as "feeling things very deeply." However, he is also extremely bright and very stron…

You just showed that the words "weak" and "emotional" mean two different things. No one ever questioned that.

Re: There’s a $200k reward for anyone who proves Microsoft ripped off MS-DOS source

#59

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"like a little girl" Why not like a little boy? Because Joel thinks women are weaker then men, obviously.

It might be more charitable to assume that it's a reference to the perception that women are more emotional. I'm not saying that perception is valid or invalid but it's certainly more neutral than "women are weaker than men". That said it could be an artifact of a time where it was acceptable to say that kind of stuff. Like watching old movies reading old articles can be a bit jarring at times. But getting upset with…

Certainly not upset at the person for posting it, I admit i see how it could have come across that way.

To your point, this isn't from 1950 or even 1975. It's recent.

Re: There’s a $200k reward for anyone who proves Microsoft ripped off MS-DOS source

#60

Complete with denigration of women. Nice, thanks for posting...

I don't understand.

Can't edit, but I didn't mean to imply you shouldn't have posted it. Sorry I gave that impression. My issue is with Joel.
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