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Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by tigerBL00D »

zby wrote: post #5

The question we have now is can it be done by enemies of freedom and still lead to more freedom? There is the logic of polarisation, of fight - both sides use whatever comes their way to weaken the opposite. Russia wants to weaken the USA, so they expose the political dirt to destabilize, and that works in the short term - but I like to think that in the long term it removes the dirt and makes the free system stronge…

I wouldn't paint the world in such stark colors. The only reason you would even consider these people "enemies" is because the respective governments having chosen to be on collision course.

Technicalities aside, these "revelations" should serve as a reminder that when it comes to politics (including every version of democracy), there is a shiny veneer of righteousness, and underneath is intricate machinery that serves the sole purpose of controlling and manipulating the population. Both the US and Russia are extremely good at this in their own ways. The Cold War presented plenty of opportunities to refine the craft.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by tomp »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #3

Cyber war is much preferable to real war. Letting Putin throw the secrets of his enemies into the light to influence an election is probably going to stoke a retaliatory response but another generation of humans will grow up without total war upon them. Mutually assured destruction is a hell of a deterrent.

What makes you think that it was the Russians, or, more specifically, the Russian government?

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by piotrjurkiewicz »

runn1ng wrote: post #12

Nothing in this data leads me to believe Soros does anything more than he states he does. There doesn't seem to be any hidden agenda or any evil master-plan.

The fact the agenda isn't hidden does not make it less evil.

I remind you that Soros (through his Open Society Foundations) supports illegal immigration and people smuggling into the EU: http://news.sky.com/story/sky-finds-handbook-for-eu-bound-mi...

His organizations and owned media regularly attack every politician or activist who is against uncontrolled immigration, all over the Europe.

His goal apparently is to induce religious and racial tensions, destabilize Europe with them and finally break the EU (he already achieves that, see Brexit). And who benefits the most on European countries problems and EU dismantle?

Russia.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by binarray2000 »

tomp wrote: post #13
godzillabrennus wrote: post #3

Cyber war is much preferable to real war. Letting Putin throw the secrets of his enemies into the light to influence an election is probably going to stoke a retaliatory response but another generation of humans will grow up without total war upon them. Mutually assured destruction is a hell of a deterrent.

What makes you think that it was the Russians, or, more specifically, the Russian government?

This.

Further: US oligarchy[1][2]/establishment/(self proclaimed) elite blames Russia for every leak where they look bad. As if there are no real US American patriots who, unsatisfied with the course that same oligarchy has taken in the last 25 years, want to expose it and try to change it.

[1] http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/videos/jimmy-carter-u-s...

[2] http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by imglorp »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #3

Cyber war is much preferable to real war. Letting Putin throw the secrets of his enemies into the light to influence an election is probably going to stoke a retaliatory response but another generation of humans will grow up without total war upon them. Mutually assured destruction is a hell of a deterrent.

A full on cyber war would be devastating if well orchestrated. Fortunately for us, it's all been piecemeal so far.

Full on cyber war to me looks like a erased economy by zeroing every asset and liability in the banks and funds, with pre-corrupted backups. It looks like bricked firmware on every router, industrial process controller, police/fire radio system, public utilities, even vehicles. It would be like an EMP hit. With nobody getting paid, no emergency services or utilities, public unrest would do all the work.

If they do it right, it's like Einstein's quote about world war IV will be fought with sticks and stones.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by tim333 »

piotrjurkiewicz wrote: post #15
runn1ng wrote: post #12

Nothing in this data leads me to believe Soros does anything more than he states he does. There doesn't seem to be any hidden agenda or any evil master-plan.

The fact the agenda isn't hidden does not make it less evil. I remind you that Soros (through his Open Society Foundations) supports illegal immigration and people smuggling into the EU: http://news.sky.com/story/sky-finds-handbook-for-eu-bound-mi... His organizations and owned media regularly attack every politician or activist who is against uncontrolled immigration, all over the Europe. His goal apparently is to i…

I'd be surprised if inducing religious and racial tensions to destabilize Europe was Soros' goal. Any evidence from non anti-semitic sources?

I'm not surprised he'd be pro refugee. He was a refugee himself.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by andybak »

DominikR wrote: post #7
godzillabrennus wrote: post #3

Cyber war is much preferable to real war. Letting Putin throw the secrets of his enemies into the light to influence an election is probably going to stoke a retaliatory response but another generation of humans will grow up without total war upon them. Mutually assured destruction is a hell of a deterrent.

There is no proof whatsoever that Russia released these materials. In case of the North Korean hacks the US government raised the issue at the UN and provided proof for it to justify sanctions. None of this happened here. I suspect that the Democrats and the very biased media are attempting to divert attention from the content of these leaks away. (like for example Soros basically telling Hillary what to do regarding…

"Obama is a Socialist" sounds very strange to European ears - he would be a center-right politician at most in the UK or most EU countries.

And if you claim that SJWs are big enough threat to US stability to be a sensible target for a hypothetical Russian intervention then I'm not sure we have enough of a shared world-view to have a sensible discussion.

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