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Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by cinquemb »

-Re: attribution

You'd think with the number of high profile cyber-sec wonks on here beating the It Was Russia™ drum, I wonder what they would think of Binney's statements, and technicalities he points out absent from such hollow saber rattling?

Then again, if what took place in the shadows is coming to light is true and can be cross verified, then you'd think that would ultimately be valuable to the public…

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by godzillabrennus »

Cyber war is much preferable to real war. Letting Putin throw the secrets of his enemies into the light to influence an election is probably going to stoke a retaliatory response but another generation of humans will grow up without total war upon them.

Mutually assured destruction is a hell of a deterrent.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by zby »

The question we have now is can it be done by enemies of freedom and still lead to more freedom?

There is the logic of polarisation, of fight - both sides use whatever comes their way to weaken the opposite. Russia wants to weaken the USA, so they expose the political dirt to destabilize, and that works in the short term - but I like to think that in the long term it removes the dirt and makes the free system stronger.

The same thing: https://stopagitprop.com/2016/08/13/exposing-edward-snowden-... - it escapes them that sometimes to reform and to make the system better in the long term you need to weaken it in the short term.

Update:

And yet the same thing with the ex-soviet spies (for example https://www.google.pl/search?q=ex-soviet+spy+youtube) who defected to the west - all they see is the destabilisation caused by the western activists - they don't see how the whole value of the west is based on the improvements that happen because of the activism.

And this is not to say that there is no danger of destabilisation - it is a dangerous thing - as we have seen in the Near East recently. But we must face the danger with courage - because giving up the freedoms would make the western system the same as the other side. And it is probably not as dangerous as the dictatorship agents thinks it is. The dictatorships have a lot of internal tensions - if the dictator looses grip - it all goes boom - but in a democracy the tensions are released in small portions - by the activism.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by RyanZAG »

zby wrote: post #5

The question we have now is can it be done by enemies of freedom and still lead to more freedom? There is the logic of polarisation, of fight - both sides use whatever comes their way to weaken the opposite. Russia wants to weaken the USA, so they expose the political dirt to destabilize, and that works in the short term - but I like to think that in the long term it removes the dirt and makes the free system stronge…

It's never really as simple as just deciding a big percentage of the world's population are 'enemies'. Or that massive shadowy organizations are 'friends' just because they say they are. Our view on the world is extremely small, and by definition of being human - extremely biased.

Re: Soros, the Open Society Foundations, and the Continued Political Hacks

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Post by DominikR »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #3

Cyber war is much preferable to real war. Letting Putin throw the secrets of his enemies into the light to influence an election is probably going to stoke a retaliatory response but another generation of humans will grow up without total war upon them. Mutually assured destruction is a hell of a deterrent.

There is no proof whatsoever that Russia released these materials. In case of the North Korean hacks the US government raised the issue at the UN and provided proof for it to justify sanctions.

None of this happened here. I suspect that the Democrats and the very biased media are attempting to divert attention from the content of these leaks away. (like for example Soros basically telling Hillary what to do regarding protests that were going on in Albania a while back)

On top of that they are spinning the narrative that Trump is somehow connected to Putin, even though Trump never had any business ties to Russia. (while Hillary did, she received millions from Sberbank for allowing the Russians to buy 20% of all US Uranium production)

Edit: If the Russians were really hell bent on destroying the US society as the Soviets did back then they would likely help Hillary win the election and amplify all the SJW insanity and race conflicts that are currently going on. (Obama the uniter!) They also have extensive experience with applied Socialism and its inevitable results so they know that the US would probably be severely weakened by another decade of Democrat Socialist policies.

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