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Nissan Motor Company has announced a new type of gasoline engine

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Re: Nissan Motor Company has announced a new type of gasoline engine

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This looks cool, but complicated. The problem addressed seems to be that turbocharged (and supercharged) engines are sub-optimal at lower powers.

IMHO mild electric hybrids, or full serial electric hybrids would be a more elegant solution - only run the combustion engine when full power is needed, and use the electric motor otherwise. "full power" could be used to top the battery if it's not all required for motion.

Re: Nissan Motor Company has announced a new type of gasoline engine

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Any way to know how they accomplish the variable compression?

https://www.google.com/patents/US7165517

Oh, so that's how it works. See Fig. 2 of the patent. It's a lot like the Peugeot MCE-5, an earlier variable-displacement engine. The Nissan mechanism looks simpler and seems to take up less space inside the engine. Maybe that will make this workable. Variable-displacement isn't new, but previous attempts were mechanically clunky. It adds extra moving parts to the highest-load path in an engine - the piston to crankshaft connection. It has to deliver large benefits to justify the costs and problems that implies.

Most engines already have knock sensors. They're used to adjust fuel/air ratio and spark timing to just above/after where the engine starts to knock. A few engines adjust valve timing while running, which is also complex mechanically, but not as difficult as adjusting compression. Now there's another variable to tweak.

It may take a machine learning system to tune such an engine. All those interdependent variables to adjust make that a hard problem. Different values required based on engine speed, load, temperature, fuel consumption, and emissions outputs. All this is usually expressed as precomputed tables which are interpolated within the engine controller. Those tables have to be developed somehow.

Re: Nissan Motor Company has announced a new type of gasoline engine

#53

This looks cool, but complicated. The problem addressed seems to be that turbocharged (and supercharged) engines are sub-optimal at lower powers. IMHO mild electric hybrids, or full serial electric hybrids would be a more elegant solution - only run the combustion engine when full power is needed, and use the electric motor otherwise. "full power" could be used to top the battery if it's not all required for motion.

Would an electrically powered, computer-controlled turbo be silly?

Re: Nissan Motor Company has announced a new type of gasoline engine

#54

How are they preventing engine knock ? At 14:1 compression you'd have to be running premium gas, which would pretty much cancel the efficiency saving, in a $$ perspective.

Don't advance ignition timing so far at 14:1 compression, and DI helps.

Re: Nissan Motor Company has announced a new type of gasoline engine

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Here is a simple explanation gathered from this image http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/de3e84cf46030cd7b3ea39... : The difference from a conventional engine is that the engine stroke is increased or decreased automatically. The stroke is the distance the piston travels up and down in order to turn the crankshaft. A shorter distance that is closer to the combustion chamber increases the compression ratio because…

> Possible issues with this design could be:

Let's also recognize that shortblock costs will be much, much higher with this design when you need a rebuild. Many engine builders won't touch this, and I'd suspect the Nissan OEMs will say that these engine shortblocks are "factory replaceable only". Who is going to make aftermarket bearings for the multilink setup? How does the engine operate under actuator failure?

Re: Nissan Motor Company has announced a new type of gasoline engine

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Here is a simple explanation gathered from this image http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/de3e84cf46030cd7b3ea39... : The difference from a conventional engine is that the engine stroke is increased or decreased automatically. The stroke is the distance the piston travels up and down in order to turn the crankshaft. A shorter distance that is closer to the combustion chamber increases the compression ratio because…

> A shorter distance that is closer to the combustion chamber increases the compression ratio because there is less space for the fuel/air mixture. When the system is operating in low compression mode the piston travels more and does not reach as high.

I think this is partly inaccurate. The images show the piston at the top of the stroke; when the compression ratio is high the piston is higher at the top of the stroke. But the bottom of the stroke is the same in both cases. That means the actual length of the stroke--the distance the piston travels--is greater in high compression mode. This is consistent with the definition of compression ratio, which is the ratio of cylinder volume at bottom of stroke vs. top of stroke; a larger compression ratio means a larger difference between these volumes, i.e., a longer piston stroke to get the piston higher (closer to the top of the cylinder) at the top of the stroke.

Re: Nissan Motor Company has announced a new type of gasoline engine

#57

This looks cool, but complicated. The problem addressed seems to be that turbocharged (and supercharged) engines are sub-optimal at lower powers. IMHO mild electric hybrids, or full serial electric hybrids would be a more elegant solution - only run the combustion engine when full power is needed, and use the electric motor otherwise. "full power" could be used to top the battery if it's not all required for motion.

Would an electrically powered, computer-controlled turbo be silly?

I've wondered that too, primarily in the context of reducing or eliminating turbo lag by spinning up the thing electrically.

Re: Nissan Motor Company has announced a new type of gasoline engine

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Despite claiming they could replace diesels, I don't see any real numbers other than comparisons with their own gasoline engines. For internal combustion engines, the most efficent are still two-stroke diesels, which can have thermal efficiencies of over 50%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_specific_fuel_consumptio... Seeing as this design includes several more moving parts than conventional ones, it's an open qu…

The article doesn't explain what this has to do with diesel at all. Why the emphasis on replacing diesel with this technology?

Re: Nissan Motor Company has announced a new type of gasoline engine

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This looks cool, but complicated. The problem addressed seems to be that turbocharged (and supercharged) engines are sub-optimal at lower powers. IMHO mild electric hybrids, or full serial electric hybrids would be a more elegant solution - only run the combustion engine when full power is needed, and use the electric motor otherwise. "full power" could be used to top the battery if it's not all required for motion.

That's exactly what the Koenigsegg Regera does, it has three total electric motors in addition to the engine. The one in front of the engine is used as energy conversion and as a starter for the motor. There are two more electric motors on each axle for supplying the initial grunt, while the engine builds horsepower, supplementing the electric motor. The motors also aid in regenerative braking and torque vectoring. There is no transmission between the engine, electric motors and the wheels, relying only on a torque converter, using the entire rpm range of the engine from zed to 250 mph. In addition, the engine has no camshafts, relying on electronics and pneumatics for the intake and exhaust valves. And of course, it has two turbo chargers as well.
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